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		<title>By: Jon Conkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Conkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl, There is real intensity in that painting of Van Eyck's.  Those painters had exceptional skill in capturing facial continence, they seemed to make the sitter look very dignified, or any other way they saw fit. That one is definitely a masterpiece, those Dutch painters had a monopoly on "great" work.   Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl, There is real intensity in that painting of Van Eyck&#8217;s.  Those painters had exceptional skill in capturing facial continence, they seemed to make the sitter look very dignified, or any other way they saw fit. That one is definitely a masterpiece, those Dutch painters had a monopoly on &#8220;great&#8221; work.   Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: painter-chum</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2006/10/critique-me.html#comment-529</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to tell you that I looked at this portrait and enjoyed it immediately, love the unhesitating brushwork, and the harmony of colour. I do agree with one of the other commenters though, and that is that it is hard to figure out anything about the personality of this model, she remains a mystery, but a beautiful mystery. I personally love your painting style, as I also do oil portraits from time to time, and find them the most fun of anything i paint...mostly because it's a challenge to get the spirit of the model. Good luck with your painting Jon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to tell you that I looked at this portrait and enjoyed it immediately, love the unhesitating brushwork, and the harmony of colour. I do agree with one of the other commenters though, and that is that it is hard to figure out anything about the personality of this model, she remains a mystery, but a beautiful mystery. I personally love your painting style, as I also do oil portraits from time to time, and find them the most fun of anything i paint&#8230;mostly because it&#8217;s a challenge to get the spirit of the model. Good luck with your painting Jon.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Zipser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Zipser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a HREF="http://www.abcgallery.com/E/eyck/eyck25.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Jan van Eyck's painting of his wife&lt;/A&gt;  is my favorite portrait.

Jon, I'm not telling you how to paint, of course. If you look at van Eyck's painting (circa 1437), you would never call it realism. But I find it great.

This painting was likely made in two layers, an under painting and an over painting, in oil, in different sessions obviously. There would also likely have been an underdrawing. On various portraits, van Eyck did more or less work on the underdrawing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.abcgallery.com/E/eyck/eyck25.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.abcgallery.com');" rel="nofollow">Jan van Eyck&#8217;s painting of his wife</a>  is my favorite portrait.</p>
<p>Jon, I&#8217;m not telling you how to paint, of course. If you look at van Eyck&#8217;s painting (circa 1437), you would never call it realism. But I find it great.</p>
<p>This painting was likely made in two layers, an under painting and an over painting, in oil, in different sessions obviously. There would also likely have been an underdrawing. On various portraits, van Eyck did more or less work on the underdrawing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Conkey</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2006/10/critique-me.html#comment-527</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Conkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Karl, I respect your opinion very much, could you perhaps let me know of a portrait that you believe to be of the highest quality; a benchmark portrait,(I realise that it would be your opinion, and not necessarily what the whole world believes).

I say this because, as an artist, I have seen paintings so real that any sign of the artist is missing; therefore, the artist has left nothing for the viewer of "themselves" to be shared. Furthermore, by painting "Too realistically" the artist becomes lost in the sea of others who have done the same. My case in point, is being recognizable more important than painting a perfect likeness? I find my greatest struggle as an artist is not actually painting a good portrait, but in fact, painting a portrait that others will see as mine. Does this make any sense? Should I attempt to paint exactly what I see, or should I exxagerate what I personally want others to see in my work? It is a paradox of sorts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Karl, I respect your opinion very much, could you perhaps let me know of a portrait that you believe to be of the highest quality; a benchmark portrait,(I realise that it would be your opinion, and not necessarily what the whole world believes).</p>
<p>I say this because, as an artist, I have seen paintings so real that any sign of the artist is missing; therefore, the artist has left nothing for the viewer of &#8220;themselves&#8221; to be shared. Furthermore, by painting &#8220;Too realistically&#8221; the artist becomes lost in the sea of others who have done the same. My case in point, is being recognizable more important than painting a perfect likeness? I find my greatest struggle as an artist is not actually painting a good portrait, but in fact, painting a portrait that others will see as mine. Does this make any sense? Should I attempt to paint exactly what I see, or should I exxagerate what I personally want others to see in my work? It is a paradox of sorts.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Conkey</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2006/10/critique-me.html#comment-526</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Conkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rex, I can appreciate the connection you have gained to the "Earth" through your landscape work. It is amazing how one may become attuned to subtle needs of plants and learn to read their foliage. It is much the same in painting from memory, which I have done many times. 

Painting from memory may help us to become aware of the "minutia of details" that makes a subject look believable; namely, the subtle planes of the mouth, eyes, and nose. Portrait #143 on my blog "themeworks" is such a portrait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rex, I can appreciate the connection you have gained to the &#8220;Earth&#8221; through your landscape work. It is amazing how one may become attuned to subtle needs of plants and learn to read their foliage. It is much the same in painting from memory, which I have done many times. </p>
<p>Painting from memory may help us to become aware of the &#8220;minutia of details&#8221; that makes a subject look believable; namely, the subtle planes of the mouth, eyes, and nose. Portrait #143 on my blog &#8220;themeworks&#8221; is such a portrait.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Zipser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Zipser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 01:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a HREF="http://www.zipser.nl/2006/10/artist-constraints-are-your-friends.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Constraints&lt;/A&gt;, such as making a painting a day, can be valuable. But I think it is also important to keep the larger artistic goals in mind. These include, full expression of your statement, and selling the work. The latter may sound too  commercial, but without selling, you can't really be able to devote full time to being an artist either.

To me, this portrait is a good under-painting. I don't see it as a finished work, or as an example of something that is going to make Jon rich or famous. It is a study, and a good one. But studies should be studies for something more substantial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.zipser.nl/2006/10/artist-constraints-are-your-friends.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.zipser.nl');" rel="nofollow">Constraints</a>, such as making a painting a day, can be valuable. But I think it is also important to keep the larger artistic goals in mind. These include, full expression of your statement, and selling the work. The latter may sound too  commercial, but without selling, you can&#8217;t really be able to devote full time to being an artist either.</p>
<p>To me, this portrait is a good under-painting. I don&#8217;t see it as a finished work, or as an example of something that is going to make Jon rich or famous. It is a study, and a good one. But studies should be studies for something more substantial.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Crockett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex Crockett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jon,

I really wanted to get back and comment on your comment sooner, but today was spent chasing the light with a lot of gardening. The plants, not being able to attend to their own needs like people can, could not wait. Now, every muscle in my body is marvelously sore, and I have some time for a note.

First, I cannot think that the painting a day thing is bad. Sure, you'll have some duds. Van Gogh had a lot of duds too. But the fluency developed is worth it. Many others have commented that duds are sometimes more educating than successes. Yes, one has to often go with what one knows, but a lot of great artists have done countless variations on simple themes and produced great work. Trying to always be totally inspired and original is grueling and moreover, a completely unrealistic expectation.

Thanks for filling me in on your sitter. Here's an interesting thing: Every thing you say about her and the session comes through in the work, so you were completely successful in capturing the moment and the spirit. Now I want to take back what I said; see, if I knew her, I would say, "That's how Olivia is!"

Portraiture has always been my cash cow. It's a great way to make a living. You make lots of friends, and the money is good. One of the main reasons I've been able to work without a gallery for years is the portrait commissions. You get enough of 'em hanging in people's homes and stay in touch with your customers, and the commissions just roll in. I'm sure you know how portraiture is a collaboration between the artist and the sitter, but not everyone understands that. The best portraits always come from the best models, and some people are naturals. The models can warm up. They get used to that disconcerting stare that artists have. They see how you portray them, and they have ideas of their own.When it gets to be a grind, you take a break, do some landscapes or some experimental work, or gardening... We all have our ways of refilling the well.

Regarding the fleeting moments, have you ever tried memory drawing? You know, you just take a glance and see if you can draw it without looking again? Yeah, you end up just making stuff up, but so what? If it looks good, it IS good.

Cheers,

Rex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jon,</p>
<p>I really wanted to get back and comment on your comment sooner, but today was spent chasing the light with a lot of gardening. The plants, not being able to attend to their own needs like people can, could not wait. Now, every muscle in my body is marvelously sore, and I have some time for a note.</p>
<p>First, I cannot think that the painting a day thing is bad. Sure, you&#8217;ll have some duds. Van Gogh had a lot of duds too. But the fluency developed is worth it. Many others have commented that duds are sometimes more educating than successes. Yes, one has to often go with what one knows, but a lot of great artists have done countless variations on simple themes and produced great work. Trying to always be totally inspired and original is grueling and moreover, a completely unrealistic expectation.</p>
<p>Thanks for filling me in on your sitter. Here&#8217;s an interesting thing: Every thing you say about her and the session comes through in the work, so you were completely successful in capturing the moment and the spirit. Now I want to take back what I said; see, if I knew her, I would say, &#8220;That&#8217;s how Olivia is!&#8221;</p>
<p>Portraiture has always been my cash cow. It&#8217;s a great way to make a living. You make lots of friends, and the money is good. One of the main reasons I&#8217;ve been able to work without a gallery for years is the portrait commissions. You get enough of &#8216;em hanging in people&#8217;s homes and stay in touch with your customers, and the commissions just roll in. I&#8217;m sure you know how portraiture is a collaboration between the artist and the sitter, but not everyone understands that. The best portraits always come from the best models, and some people are naturals. The models can warm up. They get used to that disconcerting stare that artists have. They see how you portray them, and they have ideas of their own.When it gets to be a grind, you take a break, do some landscapes or some experimental work, or gardening&#8230; We all have our ways of refilling the well.</p>
<p>Regarding the fleeting moments, have you ever tried memory drawing? You know, you just take a glance and see if you can draw it without looking again? Yeah, you end up just making stuff up, but so what? If it looks good, it IS good.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Rex</p>
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