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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2006/11/art-perception-where-do-we-go-from-here.html#comment-820</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I paint nearly full time, sometimes more, based on exhibition schedules and sometimes less, based on my children's schedules. While our family does not depend entirely on my income it is a part of the total picture for us. If it were a hobby, I would have much more time for housework, reading, gardening and many other activities that get pushed aside so that I can paint.

Like David, I am also trying to build a career involving galleries and museum shows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I paint nearly full time, sometimes more, based on exhibition schedules and sometimes less, based on my children&#8217;s schedules. While our family does not depend entirely on my income it is a part of the total picture for us. If it were a hobby, I would have much more time for housework, reading, gardening and many other activities that get pushed aside so that I can paint.</p>
<p>Like David, I am also trying to build a career involving galleries and museum shows.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Crockett</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2006/11/art-perception-where-do-we-go-from-here.html#comment-813</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Crockett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 09:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jon, you really set something off with your "(unspoken) impression." :)

But I &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; make a living from the sale of art. I have for years. In my life, it IS "sell or die."

I also make money from my hobbies, like fixing up old houses and selling them. I don't have to do that, but the extra money is nice while the hard work is artistically restorative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jon, you really set something off with your &#8220;(unspoken) impression.&#8221; :)</p>
<p>But I <i>do</i> make a living from the sale of art. I have for years. In my life, it IS &#8220;sell or die.&#8221;</p>
<p>I also make money from my hobbies, like fixing up old houses and selling them. I don&#8217;t have to do that, but the extra money is nice while the hard work is artistically restorative.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2006/11/art-perception-where-do-we-go-from-here.html#comment-811</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 08:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I get the (unspoken) impression that no one here needs to sell their art to survive, that everyone is already successful at their chosen fields, and that this is something of a hobby for most.&lt;/i&gt;

There are other possible conclusions. 

One is that art could be the main focus of a person's life, and therefore not a hobby, but that they have found other ways to supplement their income. Another possibility is that the person already has gallery representation, and chooses to sell their work through that system. I fall into both categories. Perhaps one or both apply to others here as well.

(I have, fairly often, told people that a painting they were interested in buying was not yet available. Generally I don't offer my work for sale until I've had the chance to exhibit it. Gallery and museum shows are an important part of the career I've been trying to build.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I get the (unspoken) impression that no one here needs to sell their art to survive, that everyone is already successful at their chosen fields, and that this is something of a hobby for most.</i></p>
<p>There are other possible conclusions. </p>
<p>One is that art could be the main focus of a person&#8217;s life, and therefore not a hobby, but that they have found other ways to supplement their income. Another possibility is that the person already has gallery representation, and chooses to sell their work through that system. I fall into both categories. Perhaps one or both apply to others here as well.</p>
<p>(I have, fairly often, told people that a painting they were interested in buying was not yet available. Generally I don&#8217;t offer my work for sale until I&#8217;ve had the chance to exhibit it. Gallery and museum shows are an important part of the career I&#8217;ve been trying to build.)</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Zipser</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2006/11/art-perception-where-do-we-go-from-here.html#comment-810</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Zipser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 04:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susie,

I also appreciate the cross-disciplinary discussion. i have learned a lot about how photographers think about image-making, for example. I'm looking forward to learning more about fiber also. I have spent a lot of time with fiber in the context of paper making.

I've been pushing the online selling idea lately, but today I have been thinking about it more and I realize that while it is a fine idea, it is not really part of the implicit social contract of this site as it is now. We came together for discussion. Selling would be a new departure. Realizing this, I begin to take a more cautious attitude about selling. I stand by the ideas I wrote earlier. But I think that perhaps forming a group around the idea of selling would be the way to do it. Art &#038; Perception is a group that formed around the idea of discussing art. It's important to respect that, I realize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susie,</p>
<p>I also appreciate the cross-disciplinary discussion. i have learned a lot about how photographers think about image-making, for example. I&#8217;m looking forward to learning more about fiber also. I have spent a lot of time with fiber in the context of paper making.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been pushing the online selling idea lately, but today I have been thinking about it more and I realize that while it is a fine idea, it is not really part of the implicit social contract of this site as it is now. We came together for discussion. Selling would be a new departure. Realizing this, I begin to take a more cautious attitude about selling. I stand by the ideas I wrote earlier. But I think that perhaps forming a group around the idea of selling would be the way to do it. Art &#038; Perception is a group that formed around the idea of discussing art. It&#8217;s important to respect that, I realize.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Butzi</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2006/11/art-perception-where-do-we-go-from-here.html#comment-796</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Butzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I haven't bought work unseen off someone's web site, I certainly have bought work from artists based on nothing more than slides sent by the artist - it seems to me this is little different from viewing work on the website and then contacting the artist.

The key for me was having some confidence in the artist.  As Lisa points out, things like A&#38;P can do a lot to build the credibility it takes to get a potential customer to feel confident enough to commit to a purchase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I haven&#8217;t bought work unseen off someone&#8217;s web site, I certainly have bought work from artists based on nothing more than slides sent by the artist - it seems to me this is little different from viewing work on the website and then contacting the artist.</p>
<p>The key for me was having some confidence in the artist.  As Lisa points out, things like A&amp;P can do a lot to build the credibility it takes to get a potential customer to feel confident enough to commit to a purchase.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Call</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2006/11/art-perception-where-do-we-go-from-here.html#comment-794</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Call</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I get the (unspoken) impression that no one here needs to sell their art to survive, that everyone is already successful at their chosen fields, and that this is something of a hobby for most&lt;/i&gt;

Interesting observation Jon. I can see why you come to that conclusion.   This is to be the topic of my first post (next wednesday) so I'll try to explain myself better there. 

Tracy - to elaborate on my comment about buying your work sight unseen.  First, I would definitely go through one of your galleries for the reasons Karl mentioned.  But your blog is the reason I would be comfortable doing so.  I've been watching how you work through your blog over the last 6+ months and through that source I have no doubt as to the quality of your work.  

I don't think I'd buy just any work off the internet sight unseen as it seems too risky and I would certainly never try to make a living selling art this way.  But your blog assures me that there is little risk in your case.  Many of the artists on my "want to buy" list have blogs that I've been reading.  While they may not all be intended as direct marketing/sales tools I think they add a lot of credibility to the artists.

And that I think is the value of A&#038;P as Jon mentioned above not necessarily a direct sales tool (although we might be able to pull that off) but as 
a tool to lend credibility, which is very important in the marketplace.

And that I think is what is key for us to keep in mind as we move forward.  I'm with Rex in thinking we want to set the bar for being honest and open and not creating some type of "image".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I get the (unspoken) impression that no one here needs to sell their art to survive, that everyone is already successful at their chosen fields, and that this is something of a hobby for most</i></p>
<p>Interesting observation Jon. I can see why you come to that conclusion.   This is to be the topic of my first post (next wednesday) so I&#8217;ll try to explain myself better there. </p>
<p>Tracy - to elaborate on my comment about buying your work sight unseen.  First, I would definitely go through one of your galleries for the reasons Karl mentioned.  But your blog is the reason I would be comfortable doing so.  I&#8217;ve been watching how you work through your blog over the last 6+ months and through that source I have no doubt as to the quality of your work.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d buy just any work off the internet sight unseen as it seems too risky and I would certainly never try to make a living selling art this way.  But your blog assures me that there is little risk in your case.  Many of the artists on my &#8220;want to buy&#8221; list have blogs that I&#8217;ve been reading.  While they may not all be intended as direct marketing/sales tools I think they add a lot of credibility to the artists.</p>
<p>And that I think is the value of A&#038;P as Jon mentioned above not necessarily a direct sales tool (although we might be able to pull that off) but as<br />
a tool to lend credibility, which is very important in the marketplace.</p>
<p>And that I think is what is key for us to keep in mind as we move forward.  I&#8217;m with Rex in thinking we want to set the bar for being honest and open and not creating some type of &#8220;image&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Conkey</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2006/11/art-perception-where-do-we-go-from-here.html#comment-791</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Conkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Where do we go from here?" This contributor thinks that by staying focused on "art", and sharing one's observations on "art", everyone else will be able to see what this group is about, (and be able to see a particular individual's opinion in this forum style discussion with others). By honestly sharing one's opinions on "art matters", others will see from the comments left on this blog how we think and feel about certain aspects of art. This way, "visitors" will be able to make up their minds whether we are "full of @#$%" or not,(or find a favorite contributor amongst the several opinions). In this thread of over 30 comments, I get the (unspoken) impression that no one here needs to sell their art to survive, that everyone is already successful at their chosen fields, and that this is something of a hobby for most. This said, Rex and Lisa have sure done much to make the new site functional and efficient (time and work),(aside from Karl's original brainchild). Lisa's idea of the "contributors page" sounds nice; it would introduce new folks to us (allowing them to see "where we are coming from individually"), and would help individual sales, without making the site a "sales site". To me, one must look credible to potential collectors, it is better to have others that believe in your work, as opposed to just yourself. Having the support of "credible others" really helps to this end, (especially if those folks are successful in their fields).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Where do we go from here?&#8221; This contributor thinks that by staying focused on &#8220;art&#8221;, and sharing one&#8217;s observations on &#8220;art&#8221;, everyone else will be able to see what this group is about, (and be able to see a particular individual&#8217;s opinion in this forum style discussion with others). By honestly sharing one&#8217;s opinions on &#8220;art matters&#8221;, others will see from the comments left on this blog how we think and feel about certain aspects of art. This way, &#8220;visitors&#8221; will be able to make up their minds whether we are &#8220;full of @#$%&#8221; or not,(or find a favorite contributor amongst the several opinions). In this thread of over 30 comments, I get the (unspoken) impression that no one here needs to sell their art to survive, that everyone is already successful at their chosen fields, and that this is something of a hobby for most. This said, Rex and Lisa have sure done much to make the new site functional and efficient (time and work),(aside from Karl&#8217;s original brainchild). Lisa&#8217;s idea of the &#8220;contributors page&#8221; sounds nice; it would introduce new folks to us (allowing them to see &#8220;where we are coming from individually&#8221;), and would help individual sales, without making the site a &#8220;sales site&#8221;. To me, one must look credible to potential collectors, it is better to have others that believe in your work, as opposed to just yourself. Having the support of &#8220;credible others&#8221; really helps to this end, (especially if those folks are successful in their fields).</p>
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