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		<title>By: Colin Jago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Jago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 10:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa, no complaints from me about the subhead.  I was more reacting to the fact that I hadn&#039;t noticed.  And there was me thinking that I was observant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, no complaints from me about the subhead.  I was more reacting to the fact that I hadn&#8217;t noticed.  And there was me thinking that I was observant.</p>
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		<title>By: Saulius</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2006/11/tell-me-what-you-think.html/comment-page-1#comment-1492</link>
		<dc:creator>Saulius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 07:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First let me say I am new to Art and Perception having just stumbled across this place when it was mentioned in someone’s blog.  At first glimpse it seems the topics and discussions here will be of much interest so I hope to find time to return and read some of the archives.  But now I’d like to just plunge in with a few comments.

Paul, I decided to write before reading what others have already said.  Hopefully what I say hasn’t been trodden over already and what I say might be of some benefit to you.

I don’t know for sure your intent but by having each series of images begin with a quote you seem to be guiding me a bit on how to view the images.  I don’t find it heavy handed and like the gentle prod.  SDG 13 - After reading Thoreau’s comment and looking at the first image I have found myself smiling.  I see the stop sign in the center of the image and think I need to stop, slow down and be open to what this image shows me.  It’s more then just an intersection in some rural area.  I’m thinking of Thoreau’s comments and am now trying to be more receptive to what I am viewing, what you have chosen to present me.  I now look at each succeeding landscape with a more opened mind, trying to bring more to what I see then just the “gardeners view”.  Thoreau makes me think of raw Nature, but your images show landscapes impacted and inhabited by humans. (even if there are none present)  So as I look at each image in this series I am now thinking that you might be saying to me that there is plenty of the natural world around us, in human kinds every day existence and we just need to stop and take the time to appreciate what is there, every day, around each of us.   We don’t need to wander into a designated wilderness area to get this appreciation.  Although the last image might make me think this was taken in a wilderness  or protected area.  But by it being in this series of images I think instead there might be a little wilderness everywhere, if we just look for it, if we are receptive to it.  I’m not sure if this was your intent or if this is just my personal baggage of viewpoints and experiences speaking here.  
Well these are just some first impressions for what they are worth, or not ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First let me say I am new to Art and Perception having just stumbled across this place when it was mentioned in someone’s blog.  At first glimpse it seems the topics and discussions here will be of much interest so I hope to find time to return and read some of the archives.  But now I’d like to just plunge in with a few comments.</p>
<p>Paul, I decided to write before reading what others have already said.  Hopefully what I say hasn’t been trodden over already and what I say might be of some benefit to you.</p>
<p>I don’t know for sure your intent but by having each series of images begin with a quote you seem to be guiding me a bit on how to view the images.  I don’t find it heavy handed and like the gentle prod.  SDG 13 &#8211; After reading Thoreau’s comment and looking at the first image I have found myself smiling.  I see the stop sign in the center of the image and think I need to stop, slow down and be open to what this image shows me.  It’s more then just an intersection in some rural area.  I’m thinking of Thoreau’s comments and am now trying to be more receptive to what I am viewing, what you have chosen to present me.  I now look at each succeeding landscape with a more opened mind, trying to bring more to what I see then just the “gardeners view”.  Thoreau makes me think of raw Nature, but your images show landscapes impacted and inhabited by humans. (even if there are none present)  So as I look at each image in this series I am now thinking that you might be saying to me that there is plenty of the natural world around us, in human kinds every day existence and we just need to stop and take the time to appreciate what is there, every day, around each of us.   We don’t need to wander into a designated wilderness area to get this appreciation.  Although the last image might make me think this was taken in a wilderness  or protected area.  But by it being in this series of images I think instead there might be a little wilderness everywhere, if we just look for it, if we are receptive to it.  I’m not sure if this was your intent or if this is just my personal baggage of viewpoints and experiences speaking here.<br />
Well these are just some first impressions for what they are worth, or not ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Butzi</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2006/11/tell-me-what-you-think.html/comment-page-1#comment-1487</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Butzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 02:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa-

Sure, hotlink protection helps.  It does, however, break every page that people access using a translation service like babelfish or the google translation stuff.  It turns out a fair number of the references to articles on my website are made from places overseas via such translation services.  It&#039;s a shame to cut off all those viewers.

In any case, eliminating the possibility of the hot link usage is actually a detriment.  I&#039;d rather have people hot link to images (because I can track them thru my logs, then, and see what sort of traffic they get).  If you look at my copyright page, I show the code I prefer people to use - the image is a hot link to my website.  When people actually do that (most don&#039;t) I get a small but steady stream of traffic thru the link.  That&#039;s what I mean by getting &#039;meager&#039; compensation.

Same thing from having the URL in the copyright border, although I can&#039;t track it.  I suppose I could have a forwarding URL... hmm.  Might do that, although it would require reformatting all the images.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa-</p>
<p>Sure, hotlink protection helps.  It does, however, break every page that people access using a translation service like babelfish or the google translation stuff.  It turns out a fair number of the references to articles on my website are made from places overseas via such translation services.  It&#8217;s a shame to cut off all those viewers.</p>
<p>In any case, eliminating the possibility of the hot link usage is actually a detriment.  I&#8217;d rather have people hot link to images (because I can track them thru my logs, then, and see what sort of traffic they get).  If you look at my copyright page, I show the code I prefer people to use &#8211; the image is a hot link to my website.  When people actually do that (most don&#8217;t) I get a small but steady stream of traffic thru the link.  That&#8217;s what I mean by getting &#8216;meager&#8217; compensation.</p>
<p>Same thing from having the URL in the copyright border, although I can&#8217;t track it.  I suppose I could have a forwarding URL&#8230; hmm.  Might do that, although it would require reformatting all the images.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2006/11/tell-me-what-you-think.html/comment-page-1#comment-1486</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 02:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D, I also regret that you don&#039;t feel welcome here. You&#039;re obviously an intelligent person w/ some potentially valuable contributions to make. We do a good bit of bantering here as well, and a lot of disagreeing too. But we&#039;ve also managed (so far at least) to maintain, as you observed, a certain level of kindness and supportiveness of each other.

It&#039;s quite easy to find fault with things. I could walk into any gallery or museum and quite easily find some point of view from which to trash everything there. Even the stuff I like. But why do that? I can only speak for myself, but when critiquing someone&#039;s work I always try to find something to say that will be helpful to them in some way. And I try to present it in a way that doesn&#039;t make them feel like they&#039;re being attacked.

I&#039;m not trying to tell you what to do. My hope is that you&#039;ll come back and join in. But as part of the community that&#039;s been forming here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D, I also regret that you don&#8217;t feel welcome here. You&#8217;re obviously an intelligent person w/ some potentially valuable contributions to make. We do a good bit of bantering here as well, and a lot of disagreeing too. But we&#8217;ve also managed (so far at least) to maintain, as you observed, a certain level of kindness and supportiveness of each other.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite easy to find fault with things. I could walk into any gallery or museum and quite easily find some point of view from which to trash everything there. Even the stuff I like. But why do that? I can only speak for myself, but when critiquing someone&#8217;s work I always try to find something to say that will be helpful to them in some way. And I try to present it in a way that doesn&#8217;t make them feel like they&#8217;re being attacked.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to tell you what to do. My hope is that you&#8217;ll come back and join in. But as part of the community that&#8217;s been forming here.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Call</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2006/11/tell-me-what-you-think.html/comment-page-1#comment-1482</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Call</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 23:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul - my webserver provides me with hotlink protection so your copyright issue #1 is removed.  I would think most good web hosting service provide this - look on your control panel or ask them about it.  Try to hotlink to an jpg on my site and it won&#039;t work unless I explicitly give you permission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul &#8211; my webserver provides me with hotlink protection so your copyright issue #1 is removed.  I would think most good web hosting service provide this &#8211; look on your control panel or ask them about it.  Try to hotlink to an jpg on my site and it won&#8217;t work unless I explicitly give you permission.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Call</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2006/11/tell-me-what-you-think.html/comment-page-1#comment-1480</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Call</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 23:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colin - the subheading went away when it was clear there wasn&#039;t agreement what should go there.  So to end discussion I didn&#039;t have time for I removed it.  That&#039;s pretty much how I did the design - if there was contention I removed the item.  With the exception of the recent comments - there were 2 - we needed only one - I asked an outside person well versed in web design and human factor engineering which would be best and went with that.  

Result - a very barebones site - so we can concentrate on the content and not what the container looks like.  

Actually I have retired as admin - Karl wanted things I don&#039;t have time to deal with so I told him he could do them.  Since he hasn&#039;t done them I assume that means he doesn&#039;t have time for it either. 

It is time for me to concentrate on my studio.  This site works great - everyone seems to be posting and commenting and we are moving forward.  If there are technical problems I would be happy to fix them if I have time but I am not interested in setting or enforcing rules for how this site is to be used - to that I defer to Karl - as this was his baby to begin with.

I&#039;m a bit behind in reading posts also but I&#039;ll catch up eventually.  

D. - I&#039;m sorry you don&#039;t feel welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin &#8211; the subheading went away when it was clear there wasn&#8217;t agreement what should go there.  So to end discussion I didn&#8217;t have time for I removed it.  That&#8217;s pretty much how I did the design &#8211; if there was contention I removed the item.  With the exception of the recent comments &#8211; there were 2 &#8211; we needed only one &#8211; I asked an outside person well versed in web design and human factor engineering which would be best and went with that.  </p>
<p>Result &#8211; a very barebones site &#8211; so we can concentrate on the content and not what the container looks like.  </p>
<p>Actually I have retired as admin &#8211; Karl wanted things I don&#8217;t have time to deal with so I told him he could do them.  Since he hasn&#8217;t done them I assume that means he doesn&#8217;t have time for it either. </p>
<p>It is time for me to concentrate on my studio.  This site works great &#8211; everyone seems to be posting and commenting and we are moving forward.  If there are technical problems I would be happy to fix them if I have time but I am not interested in setting or enforcing rules for how this site is to be used &#8211; to that I defer to Karl &#8211; as this was his baby to begin with.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a bit behind in reading posts also but I&#8217;ll catch up eventually.  </p>
<p>D. &#8211; I&#8217;m sorry you don&#8217;t feel welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: D.</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2006/11/tell-me-what-you-think.html/comment-page-1#comment-1474</link>
		<dc:creator>D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 20:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are right: expressing oneself privately in a public forum is complicated and maybe explains why everyone is so kind and usually, supportive.  It is how communities survive.

I guess I better stick to my buddies and banter only in-person.  We do have a terrific time pushing each other a bit nearer the edge.  (How could I have been so foolish to imagine the Trust I share with my friends would be shared here with people I do not know.  Sorry about that.)

Good luck.

David (I chose D. to distinguish myself from the other David)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are right: expressing oneself privately in a public forum is complicated and maybe explains why everyone is so kind and usually, supportive.  It is how communities survive.</p>
<p>I guess I better stick to my buddies and banter only in-person.  We do have a terrific time pushing each other a bit nearer the edge.  (How could I have been so foolish to imagine the Trust I share with my friends would be shared here with people I do not know.  Sorry about that.)</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
<p>David (I chose D. to distinguish myself from the other David)</p>
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