Comments on: Colorful Underpainting http://artandperception.com/2006/12/colorful-underpainting.html a multi-disciplinary dialog Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:46:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Steve Durbin http://artandperception.com/2006/12/colorful-underpainting.html#comment-192442 Steve Durbin Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:42:31 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2006/12/colorful-underpainting.html#comment-192442 Eva, What you describe sounds like the first method I remember from childhood as a "technique" (not just plain old drawing). We made an underlayer in different colors of crayons, then colored over it all with black crayon, and then used something sharp (I recall the end of a paper clip) to remove the top layer, revealing lines of bright color. I haven't thought of that in a long time, but it's actually akin to some ideas I'm currently experimenting with. P.S. My office partner is also from Bratislava. Thanks for writing. Eva,

What you describe sounds like the first method I remember from childhood as a “technique” (not just plain old drawing). We made an underlayer in different colors of crayons, then colored over it all with black crayon, and then used something sharp (I recall the end of a paper clip) to remove the top layer, revealing lines of bright color. I haven’t thought of that in a long time, but it’s actually akin to some ideas I’m currently experimenting with.

P.S. My office partner is also from Bratislava. Thanks for writing.

]]> By: Eva Bartosova http://artandperception.com/2006/12/colorful-underpainting.html#comment-192441 Eva Bartosova Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:33:44 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2006/12/colorful-underpainting.html#comment-192441 Wine is really very nice painted. I have experience that first time is fruit very difficult, but other time it is more easy and takes not so much time to paint it. I made one pic which I do not have on internet of fruit, one of my first oil paintings I made very long time and was very excellent. I love white cover on the wines you painted. I am looking pastels and children wax crayons what writes on web to make some pics also wtih this not only with oil chalks and dry chalks, carbon or red chalks, but also with crayons. I loved technics that is vax crayon covered with school chalks on table and on it black ink and then by needle or some subjects cut into it pictures. I think about such technics and found that sometimes is good make not only classical picture, but also some modern styles that art is art. Eva Bartosova Wine is really very nice painted. I have experience that first time is fruit very difficult, but other time it is more easy and takes not so much time to paint it. I made one pic which I do not have on internet of fruit, one of my first oil paintings I made very long time and was very excellent. I love white cover on the wines you painted.

I am looking pastels and children wax crayons what writes on web to make some pics also wtih this not only with oil chalks and dry chalks, carbon or red chalks, but also with crayons. I loved technics that is vax crayon covered with school chalks on table and on it black ink and then by needle or some subjects cut into it pictures. I think about such technics and found that sometimes is good make not only classical picture, but also some modern styles that art is art.

Eva Bartosova

]]> By: birgit http://artandperception.com/2006/12/colorful-underpainting.html#comment-49322 birgit Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:26:50 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2006/12/colorful-underpainting.html#comment-49322 Beth, Your comment is inspirational. Beth,

Your comment is inspirational.

]]> By: Beth http://artandperception.com/2006/12/colorful-underpainting.html#comment-49317 Beth Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:08:36 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2006/12/colorful-underpainting.html#comment-49317 I was thinking... part of the reason the coloured underpainting works is because the grapes are Translucent... so some of the light is passing throught the grape. a small part of this (now redish) light will fall onto the cloth beneath. so where there is shadow, you should also be getting a small amount of light from "THrOUGH" the grape. this might help to unify the two objects as part of the same scene. I was thinking… part of the reason the coloured underpainting works is because the grapes are Translucent… so some of the light is passing throught the grape. a small part of this (now redish) light will fall onto the cloth beneath. so where there is shadow, you should also be getting a small amount of light from “THrOUGH” the grape. this might help to unify the two objects as part of the same scene.

]]> By: maddy http://artandperception.com/2006/12/colorful-underpainting.html#comment-18968 maddy Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:28:33 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2006/12/colorful-underpainting.html#comment-18968 stunning! the grapes are so alive! Bright pink peeps through the perfect purple... and with such elegance only matched by nature. I bought some grapes from the market and snapped a photo! but this is still better. visual treat! stunning!

the grapes are so alive!
Bright pink peeps through the perfect purple… and with such elegance only matched by nature.
I bought some grapes from the market and snapped a photo!
but this is still better.

visual treat!

]]> By: Steve http://artandperception.com/2006/12/colorful-underpainting.html#comment-2965 Steve Sun, 24 Dec 2006 01:34:00 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2006/12/colorful-underpainting.html#comment-2965 Birgit, My comment yesterday was an idea for the large landscape setting; I don't know if it would work here, because you don't expect atmospheric perspective in a small scene. Red coming forward relative to blue tends to hold anywhere, but in your photo it could have been used to enhance the other perspective cues, such as diminishing size of features in the distance, and obscuring of far things by near ones. Your photo already had bluer colors in the distance, and the near hillside could plausibly be redder. There are other "tricks" you could use if you want a greater depth effect, such as sharpening the foreground a bit while leaving the background unsharpened. If you want to learn more along these lines, plus other photography tips, check out the daily critiques at http://theradiantvista.com In today's painting, I feel the perspective problem (separate from the interaction problem) is more geometrical. Taking the cloth as rectangular, the parallel lines of its sides don't seem to be converging too fast toward a distant vanishing point, so we conclude we're seeing it nearly straight on. But the grapes are placed in the middle of it, yet block its far edge, so we "deduce" we're seeing it from roughly a 45-degree angle, looking down. There's a conflict and it looks "off." Now actually, there is some convergence, and my guess is Hanneke drew quite accurately from a consistent viewpoint. But since, as it happens, the left front corner of the cloth comes back in, and the right edge has some underfolds slipping out, the first impression (at least for me) is the one I said above. I agree with Tracy that some subtle changes could "fix" this "problem" if Hanneke wants to. But it's also true that if something is indefinably peculiar, then we might spend more time exploring the picture, and decide we love the color play and detailing so much we don't care about the rest! Sorry if this got too long-winded. I enjoyed spending time with the painting. Birgit,
My comment yesterday was an idea for the large landscape setting; I don’t know if it would work here, because you don’t expect atmospheric perspective in a small scene. Red coming forward relative to blue tends to hold anywhere, but in your photo it could have been used to enhance the other perspective cues, such as diminishing size of features in the distance, and obscuring of far things by near ones. Your photo already had bluer colors in the distance, and the near hillside could plausibly be redder. There are other “tricks” you could use if you want a greater depth effect, such as sharpening the foreground a bit while leaving the background unsharpened. If you want to learn more along these lines, plus other photography tips, check out the daily critiques at http://theradiantvista.com

In today’s painting, I feel the perspective problem (separate from the interaction problem) is more geometrical. Taking the cloth as rectangular, the parallel lines of its sides don’t seem to be converging too fast toward a distant vanishing point, so we conclude we’re seeing it nearly straight on. But the grapes are placed in the middle of it, yet block its far edge, so we “deduce” we’re seeing it from roughly a 45-degree angle, looking down. There’s a conflict and it looks “off.”

Now actually, there is some convergence, and my guess is Hanneke drew quite accurately from a consistent viewpoint. But since, as it happens, the left front corner of the cloth comes back in, and the right edge has some underfolds slipping out, the first impression (at least for me) is the one I said above. I agree with Tracy that some subtle changes could “fix” this “problem” if Hanneke wants to. But it’s also true that if something is indefinably peculiar, then we might spend more time exploring the picture, and decide we love the color play and detailing so much we don’t care about the rest!

Sorry if this got too long-winded. I enjoyed spending time with the painting.

]]> By: Brenda http://artandperception.com/2006/12/colorful-underpainting.html#comment-2963 Brenda Sun, 24 Dec 2006 00:40:00 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2006/12/colorful-underpainting.html#comment-2963 It's interesting to see your work in progress. I will try this method myself with the colorful underpainting. I'm not sure I would have thought to be so bold with the red color if I had not seen you do it. But the red does indeed glow through even with the darker color on top. Thanks for the lesson. It’s interesting to see your work in progress. I will try this method myself with the colorful underpainting. I’m not sure I would have thought to be so bold with the red color if I had not seen you do it. But the red does indeed glow through even with the darker color on top. Thanks for the lesson.

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