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		<title>By: Birgit Zipser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Birgit Zipser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie,

I, too, had a plant experience many years ago when I tried my hands at Reiki. Coming home from my Reiki workshop in the evening, I felt a sadness in a plant reminding me of the tearful eyes of my son’s girl friend when he broke up with her. I succeeded in dissipating that sadness. For the following years, the plant has not ‘talked’ to me again about sadness. It now shields my living room from the curiosity of passersby. 

Sitting here in my dining room, typing, I realize that my daughter’s Yucca tree, grown tall again after one of its repeating trimmings, forms a green curtain shielding me in here. The other window serves as light source for a bunch of wild growing Aloe veras. During the winter months, my &lt;a href=&quot;http://birgitzipser.com/2006/12/liselottes-geraniums/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geraniums&lt;/a&gt; shield my kitchen window, fun to see the red blossoms from the outside snowy street. I am living here in Michigan ‘Dutch’ style without curtains on the downstairs windows.  

I could not find your flower on your website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie,</p>
<p>I, too, had a plant experience many years ago when I tried my hands at Reiki. Coming home from my Reiki workshop in the evening, I felt a sadness in a plant reminding me of the tearful eyes of my son’s girl friend when he broke up with her. I succeeded in dissipating that sadness. For the following years, the plant has not ‘talked’ to me again about sadness. It now shields my living room from the curiosity of passersby. </p>
<p>Sitting here in my dining room, typing, I realize that my daughter’s Yucca tree, grown tall again after one of its repeating trimmings, forms a green curtain shielding me in here. The other window serves as light source for a bunch of wild growing Aloe veras. During the winter months, my <a href="http://birgitzipser.com/2006/12/liselottes-geraniums/" rel="nofollow">geraniums</a> shield my kitchen window, fun to see the red blossoms from the outside snowy street. I am living here in Michigan ‘Dutch’ style without curtains on the downstairs windows.  </p>
<p>I could not find your flower on your website.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 04:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly enough, yes, that is what I was saying.  I had planned on doing a few drawings of different flowers and groups of flowers, but I did not have the chance.  I didn&#039;t know what to think when I finally stopped drawing &quot;my&quot; flower and saw that the others had wilted.  They had all looked quite vibrant, healthy, and alive when I first sat down.  (If anyone wants to see it, I have posted my website URL, and the drawing is on there.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly enough, yes, that is what I was saying.  I had planned on doing a few drawings of different flowers and groups of flowers, but I did not have the chance.  I didn&#8217;t know what to think when I finally stopped drawing &#8220;my&#8221; flower and saw that the others had wilted.  They had all looked quite vibrant, healthy, and alive when I first sat down.  (If anyone wants to see it, I have posted my website URL, and the drawing is on there.)</p>
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		<title>By: Birgit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Birgit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie,

Do you mean to say that the flower that you drew did not wilt only the ones that you did not draw?

It sounds like an excellent exercise to learn to capture significant features in a short time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie,</p>
<p>Do you mean to say that the flower that you drew did not wilt only the ones that you did not draw?</p>
<p>It sounds like an excellent exercise to learn to capture significant features in a short time.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 03:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I was just reading some more of the comments, and the undercurrent seems to be that fine art takes a really really long time to do, over the course of days or even months.

When I first started with art in high school, it took me weeks to finish just one piece.  In college, my professor taught us how to draw faster.  We practiced a little at a time, at first we were given 20 minutes to draw as much detail about a model as possible, then 15 minutes, 10 minutes, 5 minutes, 2 minutes, 1 minutes, and then moved into seconds, decreasing by 10 until we got to 10 seconds!  Obviously, we couldn&#039;t produce masterpieces in mere seconds, but the exercises taught us about sketching and fleshing out, using as much detail as we could without being extremely tedious.

I thought the exercises were pointless, but they actually helped me.  People are surprised to learn that most of my drawings can be done in around 1 hour.  If you visit my website, the completed works take from 1-2 hours, and the sketches range from 5-20 minutes.

And, most of the old masters did not have the technology of photography to help them, so they either had their subjects come in for days to pose, or they did rough sketches or paintings to use as reference.  Mary Cassatt, in fact, would do rough paintings which she would &quot;clean up&quot; to create her pieces.  I actually like her rough paintings even more than her others, because they seem to have more life and feeling.

And again, to clarify, I don&#039;t think that either method is truly superior, I just prefer from-life drawings myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I was just reading some more of the comments, and the undercurrent seems to be that fine art takes a really really long time to do, over the course of days or even months.</p>
<p>When I first started with art in high school, it took me weeks to finish just one piece.  In college, my professor taught us how to draw faster.  We practiced a little at a time, at first we were given 20 minutes to draw as much detail about a model as possible, then 15 minutes, 10 minutes, 5 minutes, 2 minutes, 1 minutes, and then moved into seconds, decreasing by 10 until we got to 10 seconds!  Obviously, we couldn&#8217;t produce masterpieces in mere seconds, but the exercises taught us about sketching and fleshing out, using as much detail as we could without being extremely tedious.</p>
<p>I thought the exercises were pointless, but they actually helped me.  People are surprised to learn that most of my drawings can be done in around 1 hour.  If you visit my website, the completed works take from 1-2 hours, and the sketches range from 5-20 minutes.</p>
<p>And, most of the old masters did not have the technology of photography to help them, so they either had their subjects come in for days to pose, or they did rough sketches or paintings to use as reference.  Mary Cassatt, in fact, would do rough paintings which she would &#8220;clean up&#8221; to create her pieces.  I actually like her rough paintings even more than her others, because they seem to have more life and feeling.</p>
<p>And again, to clarify, I don&#8217;t think that either method is truly superior, I just prefer from-life drawings myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 03:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do use photographs for drawing, and when I first started I couldn&#039;t imagine doing it any other way.  Then in college, my art professor was of the school of never using photographs, so we always drew from life.  Having done it both ways myself, I actually prefer to draw from life.  When you see something with your own eyes, instead of from the camera&#039;s lens, you have the opportunity to see all the minute details in their glory.  It also seems to bring vivacity to my art.  However, you also have to deal with a changing subject.  People and animals move on their own, and plants move with the wind.  The amount of daylight changes constantly.  Once, I was drawing a particular flower, and in the hour I spent with it, all the other flowers had wilted significantly, and it was a live plant growing outside!  These are instances when the power of the camera can be handy.  But, a photo gives you a limited view, you can only see one side of the subject.  It doesn&#039;t really matter whether you use photos or not, the point is the overall effect of your artwork.  If you can create powerful art, who cares where you get your reference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do use photographs for drawing, and when I first started I couldn&#8217;t imagine doing it any other way.  Then in college, my art professor was of the school of never using photographs, so we always drew from life.  Having done it both ways myself, I actually prefer to draw from life.  When you see something with your own eyes, instead of from the camera&#8217;s lens, you have the opportunity to see all the minute details in their glory.  It also seems to bring vivacity to my art.  However, you also have to deal with a changing subject.  People and animals move on their own, and plants move with the wind.  The amount of daylight changes constantly.  Once, I was drawing a particular flower, and in the hour I spent with it, all the other flowers had wilted significantly, and it was a live plant growing outside!  These are instances when the power of the camera can be handy.  But, a photo gives you a limited view, you can only see one side of the subject.  It doesn&#8217;t really matter whether you use photos or not, the point is the overall effect of your artwork.  If you can create powerful art, who cares where you get your reference?</p>
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		<title>By: hawaii lover</title>
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		<dc:creator>hawaii lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I have been going to hawaii every year since my family bought a time share on maui. I love it. i dont understand how people cant just go once. Io fell in love with it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I have been going to hawaii every year since my family bought a time share on maui. I love it. i dont understand how people cant just go once. Io fell in love with it!</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Del Porte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Del Porte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have only ever painted from direct observation. I do it for several reasons, but the biggest is that no matter how good the photo is, it lacks the variety of color that real life offers. Yes photos can have brilliant light and be beautiful in it themselves, but they lack the ability to show all of the colors. 

I don&#039;t make judgement calls for or against those who paint from photos, but for me what I lose is to great compared to the conveinence. 

for me painting is choosing and selecting what I deem beautiful from the turmoil that surrounds me. whether it is the light changing, or the effects of the weather or the effect the surrounding colors have on each other the color is my subject, so photos are lacking in that respect and for me the paintings from them lack that variety too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have only ever painted from direct observation. I do it for several reasons, but the biggest is that no matter how good the photo is, it lacks the variety of color that real life offers. Yes photos can have brilliant light and be beautiful in it themselves, but they lack the ability to show all of the colors. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t make judgement calls for or against those who paint from photos, but for me what I lose is to great compared to the conveinence. </p>
<p>for me painting is choosing and selecting what I deem beautiful from the turmoil that surrounds me. whether it is the light changing, or the effects of the weather or the effect the surrounding colors have on each other the color is my subject, so photos are lacking in that respect and for me the paintings from them lack that variety too.</p>
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