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	<title>Comments on: Four views of bare limbs</title>
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		<title>By: June</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2007/02/four-views-of-bare-limbs.html#comment-5830</link>
		<dc:creator>June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think our messages crossed in the ether, Karl.

Actually I hadn't refreshed the site for some time, so I'm a day late and a dollar short. But it's fun to go back and read older posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think our messages crossed in the ether, Karl.</p>
<p>Actually I hadn&#8217;t refreshed the site for some time, so I&#8217;m a day late and a dollar short. But it&#8217;s fun to go back and read older posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Zipser</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2007/02/four-views-of-bare-limbs.html#comment-5826</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Zipser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>June,

Look back one comment, I give a link. Bioboot's comment got posted on the old A&#38;P site and I didn't find it and move it until recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>June,</p>
<p>Look back one comment, I give a link. Bioboot&#8217;s comment got posted on the old A&amp;P site and I didn&#8217;t find it and move it until recently.</p>
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		<title>By: June</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2007/02/four-views-of-bare-limbs.html#comment-5825</link>
		<dc:creator>June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly enough, Steve, I saw them the other day and was so impressed I copied the list off and saved it on my desktop. Then today after copying the quotes, I tried to find it to link to and it seemed to have disappeared.

Here's the notation on the original from which I got the quotes: "Comment by Bioboot — February 5, 2007 11:22 pm  
[this comment is from 17 December but got posted to the old A&#38;P site –Karl]"

Karl?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly enough, Steve, I saw them the other day and was so impressed I copied the list off and saved it on my desktop. Then today after copying the quotes, I tried to find it to link to and it seemed to have disappeared.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the notation on the original from which I got the quotes: &#8220;Comment by Bioboot — February 5, 2007 11:22 pm<br />
[this comment is from 17 December but got posted to the old A&amp;P site –Karl]&#8221;</p>
<p>Karl?</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Zipser</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2007/02/four-views-of-bare-limbs.html#comment-5823</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Zipser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

It's not easy to find...

Comment #17 here

http://www.artandperception.com/2006/09/what-is-art.html#comments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not easy to find&#8230;</p>
<p>Comment #17 here</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artandperception.com/2006/09/what-is-art.html#comments"  rel="nofollow">http://www.artandperception.com/2006/09/what-is-art.html#comments</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Durbin</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2007/02/four-views-of-bare-limbs.html#comment-5817</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Durbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>June,
Don't think you can obfuscate me. But I'll let you off the hook for implying I'm using some symbolic language beyond your understanding, if you can let me know specifically where to find those interesting comments of Bioboot's. For some reason I can't locate them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>June,<br />
Don&#8217;t think you can obfuscate me. But I&#8217;ll let you off the hook for implying I&#8217;m using some symbolic language beyond your understanding, if you can let me know specifically where to find those interesting comments of Bioboot&#8217;s. For some reason I can&#8217;t locate them.</p>
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		<title>By: June</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2007/02/four-views-of-bare-limbs.html#comment-5810</link>
		<dc:creator>June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is where I left off some days ago....

Steve, 

the trunk of the tree _is_ wonderful. And I am reminded of the (re)post by Karl on Feb 5 of  Bioboot's comments on art: s/he sorted out some of the more difficult questions of art vis-a-vis artist and society for me:
"8. High art is produced by artists who well understand the symbolic landscape their target culture.
Their art is stretching the symbolic language of their own intellect and may be beyond the understanding of the majority."

You must imagine me to be, in the case of photography, "the majority." But still capable of stretching my own intellect. Even the comment that "5. To an old person art is a less common experience" has its roots in that idea of the symbolic language which has stretched the intellect. So long as I'm acquiring a new symbolic language, I guess I don't have to worry about being art-less.

There, did I obfuscate and cover my tracks well enough? I'll keep looking and reading about photography and maybe someday I'll really get it.

Tim,

In the meantime I see how the willow can be the only "tree." Having lived in Wyoming for some years, I recognized the form after you identified it for me. The "corkscrew willow," beloved of local interior decorators is a distant relative -- one I've only encountered here in Portland, far south. But of course, in Portland, your willow would be a house plant &#60;snort&#62;. Sometimes the explosion of foliage, even in the city, threatens to drown me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is where I left off some days ago&#8230;.</p>
<p>Steve, </p>
<p>the trunk of the tree _is_ wonderful. And I am reminded of the (re)post by Karl on Feb 5 of  Bioboot&#8217;s comments on art: s/he sorted out some of the more difficult questions of art vis-a-vis artist and society for me:<br />
&#8220;8. High art is produced by artists who well understand the symbolic landscape their target culture.<br />
Their art is stretching the symbolic language of their own intellect and may be beyond the understanding of the majority.&#8221;</p>
<p>You must imagine me to be, in the case of photography, &#8220;the majority.&#8221; But still capable of stretching my own intellect. Even the comment that &#8220;5. To an old person art is a less common experience&#8221; has its roots in that idea of the symbolic language which has stretched the intellect. So long as I&#8217;m acquiring a new symbolic language, I guess I don&#8217;t have to worry about being art-less.</p>
<p>There, did I obfuscate and cover my tracks well enough? I&#8217;ll keep looking and reading about photography and maybe someday I&#8217;ll really get it.</p>
<p>Tim,</p>
<p>In the meantime I see how the willow can be the only &#8220;tree.&#8221; Having lived in Wyoming for some years, I recognized the form after you identified it for me. The &#8220;corkscrew willow,&#8221; beloved of local interior decorators is a distant relative &#8212; one I&#8217;ve only encountered here in Portland, far south. But of course, in Portland, your willow would be a house plant &lt;snort&gt;. Sometimes the explosion of foliage, even in the city, threatens to drown me.</p>
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		<title>By: birgit</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2007/02/four-views-of-bare-limbs.html#comment-5551</link>
		<dc:creator>birgit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

It is true that I have been focusing on the ghost town interior and the rabbit. Tonight after work, I will study the Sourdough Trail series. I think that June also chose picture 3. Thus, I may not be completely off base.

More later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>It is true that I have been focusing on the ghost town interior and the rabbit. Tonight after work, I will study the Sourdough Trail series. I think that June also chose picture 3. Thus, I may not be completely off base.</p>
<p>More later.</p>
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