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	<title>Comments on: Someone Else&#8217;s Favorite Artwork (guest post by D.)</title>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2007/02/someone-elses-favorite-artwork.html/comment-page-1#comment-5206</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 16:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl, I felt just the opposite. 

The Sistine ceiling paintings are amazing, of course, but seeing them in context, as opposed to isolated as closeups in books, I felt that they had to compete visually with an awful lot of other stuff. Not compete in terms of quality (they&#039;d win all contests), but in terms of visual distraction. Too much artwork in one room! And they were so far away up there on the ceiling. It was like going to hear your favorite classical guitarist in a stadium, or perhaps a stadium with several stages, and other excellent musicians are playing other pieces at the same time! The performances might be great, but it&#039;s hard to hear them.

The Raphaels, on the other hand, command and enhance the rooms they are in. Everything in those stanze works together, and creates an amazing environment. And when the tour groups move on, after their cursory stop on the way to the Sistine, you are in there alone with the paintings. It&#039;s better than being a Pope :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl, I felt just the opposite. </p>
<p>The Sistine ceiling paintings are amazing, of course, but seeing them in context, as opposed to isolated as closeups in books, I felt that they had to compete visually with an awful lot of other stuff. Not compete in terms of quality (they&#8217;d win all contests), but in terms of visual distraction. Too much artwork in one room! And they were so far away up there on the ceiling. It was like going to hear your favorite classical guitarist in a stadium, or perhaps a stadium with several stages, and other excellent musicians are playing other pieces at the same time! The performances might be great, but it&#8217;s hard to hear them.</p>
<p>The Raphaels, on the other hand, command and enhance the rooms they are in. Everything in those stanze works together, and creates an amazing environment. And when the tour groups move on, after their cursory stop on the way to the Sistine, you are in there alone with the paintings. It&#8217;s better than being a Pope :)</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Zipser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Zipser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 12:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Karl, how could anyone not be blown away by Raphael’s frescos at the Vatican?&lt;/em&gt;
David,

I don&#039;t know. I was surprised myself. It must have something to do with the context and the competition. I felt that compared to the other artwork in the vicinity, the Raphael frescos were not as powerful as I had always imagined they would be, looking in books. The Sistine Chapel ceiling frescos are infinitely more powerful than anything I had imagined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Karl, how could anyone not be blown away by Raphael’s frescos at the Vatican?</em><br />
David,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know. I was surprised myself. It must have something to do with the context and the competition. I felt that compared to the other artwork in the vicinity, the Raphael frescos were not as powerful as I had always imagined they would be, looking in books. The Sistine Chapel ceiling frescos are infinitely more powerful than anything I had imagined.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 06:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl, how could anyone not be blown away by Raphael&#039;s frescos at the Vatican?

I don&#039;t think I could name a favorite artwork if I had to. For me the thrill is in the discovery of something that shifts my view of the world, and of course that&#039;s a moving target. On a recent trip to Italy, I was very moved by a number of things, including the Raphael stanze at the Vatican, Piero&#039;s frescos in Arezzo, and the David. Those were all pretty expected (though certainly not disappointing!). But there were also some things that caught me by surprise. Like the inlaid marble floors outside the Duomo in Siena. And the ceilings of the Uffizi! I think I was the only person in the museum who was looking up.

I also saw an exhibition ten years ago of Aboriginal paintings at the Natural History Museum here in L.A. that was a revelation. And lately I&#039;ve been fascinated by information graphics, and the insight that Edward Tuffte brings to them.

More often than asking people to tell me their favorite artwork, I find myself asking for and giving recommendations of books and music. Years ago a writer friend found out I was a fan of Thomas Pynchon, and he suggested I check out Don DeLillo. And I can&#039;t remember who first introduced me to Radiohead, but I&#039;m sure glad they did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl, how could anyone not be blown away by Raphael&#8217;s frescos at the Vatican?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I could name a favorite artwork if I had to. For me the thrill is in the discovery of something that shifts my view of the world, and of course that&#8217;s a moving target. On a recent trip to Italy, I was very moved by a number of things, including the Raphael stanze at the Vatican, Piero&#8217;s frescos in Arezzo, and the David. Those were all pretty expected (though certainly not disappointing!). But there were also some things that caught me by surprise. Like the inlaid marble floors outside the Duomo in Siena. And the ceilings of the Uffizi! I think I was the only person in the museum who was looking up.</p>
<p>I also saw an exhibition ten years ago of Aboriginal paintings at the Natural History Museum here in L.A. that was a revelation. And lately I&#8217;ve been fascinated by information graphics, and the insight that Edward Tuffte brings to them.</p>
<p>More often than asking people to tell me their favorite artwork, I find myself asking for and giving recommendations of books and music. Years ago a writer friend found out I was a fan of Thomas Pynchon, and he suggested I check out Don DeLillo. And I can&#8217;t remember who first introduced me to Radiohead, but I&#8217;m sure glad they did.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie Holt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie Holt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 19:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be a &quot;guard&quot; at the Phillips Collection in DC. Just a gallery moniter really. The person who tells you not to touch (or lick!) the art.    It was interesting, wonderful, boring at the same time.  I developed intimate relationships with a couple of Kokoshka landscapes, a wonderful Soutine and a tiny Seurat study.  Still don&#039;t like Renoir much, even after a few months with him.  I heard all sorts of comments by visitors and felt that invisibility of being part of the furniture, a non-entity, just there to tell you where the bathroom is.  Some people talked to me, but not many.  I still have trouble with the often stuffy nature museum &quot;culture.&quot;  

But that&#039;s sort of off topic.  Recently I began asking students on the first day of class who their favorite artist is.  I have them write it down on their contact sheet.  Mostly I get the usual suspects like Van Gogh and Michelangelo.  And some students say they don&#039;t know any!  Talk about blank slate!  But ocasionally a student puts someone down I&#039;ve never heard of, a painter they just looked at in a magazine or something like that.  And I get introduced to a new artist.  Fun stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be a &#8220;guard&#8221; at the Phillips Collection in DC. Just a gallery moniter really. The person who tells you not to touch (or lick!) the art.    It was interesting, wonderful, boring at the same time.  I developed intimate relationships with a couple of Kokoshka landscapes, a wonderful Soutine and a tiny Seurat study.  Still don&#8217;t like Renoir much, even after a few months with him.  I heard all sorts of comments by visitors and felt that invisibility of being part of the furniture, a non-entity, just there to tell you where the bathroom is.  Some people talked to me, but not many.  I still have trouble with the often stuffy nature museum &#8220;culture.&#8221;  </p>
<p>But that&#8217;s sort of off topic.  Recently I began asking students on the first day of class who their favorite artist is.  I have them write it down on their contact sheet.  Mostly I get the usual suspects like Van Gogh and Michelangelo.  And some students say they don&#8217;t know any!  Talk about blank slate!  But ocasionally a student puts someone down I&#8217;ve never heard of, a painter they just looked at in a magazine or something like that.  And I get introduced to a new artist.  Fun stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: June</title>
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		<dc:creator>June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeesh, I missed the whole spam episode -- poor me.... But I must admit to enjoying following you guys around and listening to your stories. I learn a lot from all kinds of people, including museum guards -- and AandP correspondents.

Birgit, the image that accompanies your post is so lovely that I keep coming back to it just for sheer pleasure.

The question for the museum guard is kin to some of my favorites -- I sometimes play games with my friends when we are at exhibits or museums -- which piece would you take home and hang over the couch? Which would you hang where it faced you over morning coffee? Where you could see it lying in bed?  Which do you love in its proper (probably museum) setting but wouldn&#039;t really want to have in your house? Which one(s) would you think of building an entire building just to house?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeesh, I missed the whole spam episode &#8212; poor me&#8230;. But I must admit to enjoying following you guys around and listening to your stories. I learn a lot from all kinds of people, including museum guards &#8212; and AandP correspondents.</p>
<p>Birgit, the image that accompanies your post is so lovely that I keep coming back to it just for sheer pleasure.</p>
<p>The question for the museum guard is kin to some of my favorites &#8212; I sometimes play games with my friends when we are at exhibits or museums &#8212; which piece would you take home and hang over the couch? Which would you hang where it faced you over morning coffee? Where you could see it lying in bed?  Which do you love in its proper (probably museum) setting but wouldn&#8217;t really want to have in your house? Which one(s) would you think of building an entire building just to house?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Durbin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Durbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I deleted the spam comment. But even spam can give rise to art:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=spam-ku&amp;btnG=Search</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I deleted the spam comment. But even spam can give rise to art:<br />
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;q=spam-ku&#038;btnG=Search" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;q=spam-ku&#038;btnG=Search</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rothstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rothstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 13:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do believe that Dante would have imagined an eighth level of hell had he known about spam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do believe that Dante would have imagined an eighth level of hell had he known about spam.</p>
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