Comments on: What should Hanneke paint? http://artandperception.com/2007/02/what-should-hanneke-paint.html a multi-disciplinary dialog Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:25:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Leslie Holt http://artandperception.com/2007/02/what-should-hanneke-paint.html#comment-5891 Leslie Holt Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:03:32 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/02/what-should-hanneke-paint.html#comment-5891 Karl, I would have no idea how to answer your original question without a long look at all of Hanneke's work and an even longer conversation with her in person. And then probably not even then. When I have met with grad students, I try to stimulate more questions than answers and give them time and space to sort it out. I don't think what to paint can be answered by anyone else and that it is a very precious thing for an artist. Not to say the question isn't interesting as an intellectual exercise, which is perhaps the spirit in which you write this. It seems like you are focused on the market and she is focused on what she is compelled to paint and there is some sort of tension (not bad, more like challenge) in between where your interests meet. And that is where you two are having a conversation and are inviting us to join in, as we have witnessed her wonderful work (as much as we can on the internet) and process. For the record, I believe in Santa Claus too, although how he is in LA and St. Louis at the same moment is still a mystery to me. And I wholeheartedly agree with David's statment: "if an artist is doing work they don’t believe in, then they’ve already failed, no matter how successful they get." And I am not sure I get the connection to Santa Claus, except if you are saying we are ridiuclously naive for believing such a thing. The fact is I don't think an artist CAN be successful if they are not painting what they want to paint. The product shows lack of interest and it usually ends up exploding in one's face to try to tailor to the "market," whichever market you are interested in... I am not clear if you are most interested in Hanneke selling, or what she is most interested in. Does Hanneke herself have these questions for us or are these more your questions? I am interested in part two of this conversation from her point of view. Maybe when she has time and energy and feels like discussing it. Otherwise it gets very abstract and more like an intellectual exercise detached from real life(to me). Karl,
I would have no idea how to answer your original question without a long look at all of Hanneke’s work and an even longer conversation with her in person. And then probably not even then. When I have met with grad students, I try to stimulate more questions than answers and give them time and space to sort it out. I don’t think what to paint can be answered by anyone else and that it is a very precious thing for an artist. Not to say the question isn’t interesting as an intellectual exercise, which is perhaps the spirit in which you write this.

It seems like you are focused on the market and she is focused on what she is compelled to paint and there is some sort of tension (not bad, more like challenge) in between where your interests meet. And that is where you two are having a conversation and are inviting us to join in, as we have witnessed her wonderful work (as much as we can on the internet) and process.

For the record, I believe in Santa Claus too, although how he is in LA and St. Louis at the same moment is still a mystery to me. And I wholeheartedly agree with David’s statment:
“if an artist is doing work they don’t believe in, then they’ve already failed, no matter how successful they get.”

And I am not sure I get the connection to Santa Claus, except if you are saying we are ridiuclously naive for believing such a thing. The fact is I don’t think an artist CAN be successful if they are not painting what they want to paint. The product shows lack of interest and it usually ends up exploding in one’s face to try to tailor to the “market,” whichever market you are interested in… I am not clear if you are most interested in Hanneke selling, or what she is most interested in. Does Hanneke herself have these questions for us or are these more your questions? I am interested in part two of this conversation from her point of view. Maybe when she has time and energy and feels like discussing it. Otherwise it gets very abstract and more like an intellectual exercise detached from real life(to me).

]]> By: David http://artandperception.com/2007/02/what-should-hanneke-paint.html#comment-5877 David Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:47:21 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/02/what-should-hanneke-paint.html#comment-5877 Okay, Karl. You are my Alien Sidekick :) Okay, Karl. You are my Alien Sidekick :)

]]> By: Angela http://artandperception.com/2007/02/what-should-hanneke-paint.html#comment-5865 Angela Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:05:06 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/02/what-should-hanneke-paint.html#comment-5865 Hanneke paint what you love the most, whatever is in your heart, and always believe in yourself…your intuition will lead you through and your soul will be rewarded! “Only that which is loved is beautiful. . . . The necessary essence of art is Love. . . . Love must be the mother of the arts, not architecture, not structure, not function. True art always involves the observer in the participatory gesture of being, or what we call love. Avatar Adi Da Samraj ” http://www.aboutadidam.org/readings/art_is_love/index.html Hanneke paint what you love the most, whatever is in your heart, and always believe in yourself…your intuition will lead you through and your soul will be rewarded!

“Only that which is loved is beautiful. . . . The necessary essence of art is Love. . . . Love must be the mother of the arts, not architecture, not structure, not function. True art always involves the observer in the participatory gesture of being, or what we call love.
Avatar Adi Da Samraj ”

http://www.aboutadidam.org/readings/art_is_love/index.html

]]> By: Karl Zipser http://artandperception.com/2007/02/what-should-hanneke-paint.html#comment-5856 Karl Zipser Sun, 11 Feb 2007 07:20:15 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/02/what-should-hanneke-paint.html#comment-5856 I don't have a TV, but I do have a Wikipedia and the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidekick" rel="nofollow">sidekick</a> article is interesting, for example: "In science fiction a subtype of sidekick has been established - namely, the Alien sidekick." I don’t have a TV, but I do have a Wikipedia and the sidekick article is interesting, for example:

“In science fiction a subtype of sidekick has been established - namely, the Alien sidekick.”

]]> By: David http://artandperception.com/2007/02/what-should-hanneke-paint.html#comment-5839 David Sun, 11 Feb 2007 00:31:05 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/02/what-should-hanneke-paint.html#comment-5839 Karl, I do believe in Santa Claus. I see him in the stores here around Christmas time. Though he often seems to be in several places at once, and I'm beginning to suspect something is going on. Thing is, it's okay with w/ me if Santa Claus believes he's successful, as long as he's doing something that <i>he</i> believes in. But if he's just being Santa to please the market, and he'd really rather be the Easter Bunny or an Abstract Expressionist or something, well then I'd say he's got some credibility problems. As far as being my sidekick, I'd never make you audition. You can have the job. But you know, I don't really watch tv, so one of us (not me) is going to have to do some research and find out what a sidekick <i>does</i>. Karl, I do believe in Santa Claus. I see him in the stores here around Christmas time. Though he often seems to be in several places at once, and I’m beginning to suspect something is going on.

Thing is, it’s okay with w/ me if Santa Claus believes he’s successful, as long as he’s doing something that he believes in. But if he’s just being Santa to please the market, and he’d really rather be the Easter Bunny or an Abstract Expressionist or something, well then I’d say he’s got some credibility problems.

As far as being my sidekick, I’d never make you audition. You can have the job. But you know, I don’t really watch tv, so one of us (not me) is going to have to do some research and find out what a sidekick does.

]]> By: Karl Zipser http://artandperception.com/2007/02/what-should-hanneke-paint.html#comment-5833 Karl Zipser Sat, 10 Feb 2007 22:02:58 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/02/what-should-hanneke-paint.html#comment-5833 Hanneke says: "My still life art is like a musician who plays a good piece by another composer." Hanneke says:

“My still life art is like a musician who plays a good piece by another composer.”

]]> By: Karl Zipser http://artandperception.com/2007/02/what-should-hanneke-paint.html#comment-5832 Karl Zipser Sat, 10 Feb 2007 22:00:23 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/02/what-should-hanneke-paint.html#comment-5832 Birgit, Oracle or not, you are on the internet too much and Hanneke can't reach you by phone. <em>My opinion is that if an artist is doing work they don’t believe in, then they’ve already failed, no matter how successful they get.</em> David, Do you still believe in Santa Claus also? Don't you know that belief is a very versatile material, and that it is always possible to believe in success? Hey, do I get the job on your show as side-kick, or do I have to audition? Birgit,

Oracle or not, you are on the internet too much and Hanneke can’t reach you by phone.

My opinion is that if an artist is doing work they don’t believe in, then they’ve already failed, no matter how successful they get.

David,

Do you still believe in Santa Claus also? Don’t you know that belief is a very versatile material, and that it is always possible to believe in success?

Hey, do I get the job on your show as side-kick, or do I have to audition?

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