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	<title>Comments on: Still and falling water</title>
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		<title>By: June</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2007/03/still-and-falling-water.html#comment-10072</link>
		<dc:creator>June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

The epson 7600 is pigment based (like acrylic) rather than dye based, so it is washable. It doesn't stand up to rubbing,though, so it's better to wash it by hand. The pigment sits on the surface of the threads rather than, as with dye , bonding chemically to the fabric.

The largest width I can go is determined by the printer -- 24". Length is pretty open, although the fabric starts eventually to slip as it goes through the rollers and that stops the printer. And of course, multiples of, say 24 by 60 are possible -- think kimono fabrics (which are actually 18 inches wide, I think).

The longer pieces require a rolled backed fabric, which I generally buy commercially. (The smaller pieces can be backed at home and fed through the printer).
I don't think I have any rolls at the moment that would be suitable for wear, since I don't do  wearables. But if we get really into this, I could get some -- I need some heavier silk anyway. But I can easily do smaller pieces for 2-d purposes. I just need a relatively high res photo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>The epson 7600 is pigment based (like acrylic) rather than dye based, so it is washable. It doesn&#8217;t stand up to rubbing,though, so it&#8217;s better to wash it by hand. The pigment sits on the surface of the threads rather than, as with dye , bonding chemically to the fabric.</p>
<p>The largest width I can go is determined by the printer &#8212; 24&#8243;. Length is pretty open, although the fabric starts eventually to slip as it goes through the rollers and that stops the printer. And of course, multiples of, say 24 by 60 are possible &#8212; think kimono fabrics (which are actually 18 inches wide, I think).</p>
<p>The longer pieces require a rolled backed fabric, which I generally buy commercially. (The smaller pieces can be backed at home and fed through the printer).<br />
I don&#8217;t think I have any rolls at the moment that would be suitable for wear, since I don&#8217;t do  wearables. But if we get really into this, I could get some &#8212; I need some heavier silk anyway. But I can easily do smaller pieces for 2-d purposes. I just need a relatively high res photo.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Durbin</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2007/03/still-and-falling-water.html#comment-10063</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Durbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>June,

Would the print be washable? If so, I'll gladly do the sewing myself. I'll have to get a pattern. Naturally, I'd pay for the material and printing cost. But maybe we should try with a smaller piece first, anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>June,</p>
<p>Would the print be washable? If so, I&#8217;ll gladly do the sewing myself. I&#8217;ll have to get a pattern. Naturally, I&#8217;d pay for the material and printing cost. But maybe we should try with a smaller piece first, anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: birgit</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2007/03/still-and-falling-water.html#comment-10053</link>
		<dc:creator>birgit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>June and Steve,

I am eagerly looking forward to the results of your collaboration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>June and Steve,</p>
<p>I am eagerly looking forward to the results of your collaboration.</p>
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		<title>By: June</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2007/03/still-and-falling-water.html#comment-10049</link>
		<dc:creator>June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

Alas, to paraphrase a famous truism; "I don't do clothes." Actually the truth is I _can't_ do clothes. So we'd have to enlist the aid of someone who actually sews (as opposed to me, who merely "stitches") to get the full sculptural effect.

There are some fine artists who do wearables and who sculpt their dyed fabrics, but I have enough trouble just managing the flat semi-frieze look.

The printing process I use necessitates a flat fabric -- it's the same printer that photographers often use -- an Epson 7600. (I understand that the blacks were not satisfactory on the 7600 so the 7800 came out to fix the problem. That allowed me to buy the 7600 used. but I digress)

So what we could have is a comparison of two flat wall pieces -- fraternal twins, as it were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Alas, to paraphrase a famous truism; &#8220;I don&#8217;t do clothes.&#8221; Actually the truth is I _can&#8217;t_ do clothes. So we&#8217;d have to enlist the aid of someone who actually sews (as opposed to me, who merely &#8220;stitches&#8221;) to get the full sculptural effect.</p>
<p>There are some fine artists who do wearables and who sculpt their dyed fabrics, but I have enough trouble just managing the flat semi-frieze look.</p>
<p>The printing process I use necessitates a flat fabric &#8212; it&#8217;s the same printer that photographers often use &#8212; an Epson 7600. (I understand that the blacks were not satisfactory on the 7600 so the 7800 came out to fix the problem. That allowed me to buy the 7600 used. but I digress)</p>
<p>So what we could have is a comparison of two flat wall pieces &#8212; fraternal twins, as it were.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Durbin</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2007/03/still-and-falling-water.html#comment-10041</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Durbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>June,

The idea of wearing one of my waterfalls or one of your landscapes on a silk shirt has me drooling! Even as a T-shirt...

I do think the texture of silk would add greatly to the appeal of many images, including mine in this post. The sheen seems very appropriate for the rocks and water at Palisade Falls. I don't have a good sense of the level of detail that can be obtained, but that's not always important. In fact, I've been doing a little experimentation recently with deliberate blurring, though I haven't done that with any finished prints yet.

The idea of a shirt makes the fabric concept sculptural. Lot's of possibilities... Let's think about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>June,</p>
<p>The idea of wearing one of my waterfalls or one of your landscapes on a silk shirt has me drooling! Even as a T-shirt&#8230;</p>
<p>I do think the texture of silk would add greatly to the appeal of many images, including mine in this post. The sheen seems very appropriate for the rocks and water at Palisade Falls. I don&#8217;t have a good sense of the level of detail that can be obtained, but that&#8217;s not always important. In fact, I&#8217;ve been doing a little experimentation recently with deliberate blurring, though I haven&#8217;t done that with any finished prints yet.</p>
<p>The idea of a shirt makes the fabric concept sculptural. Lot&#8217;s of possibilities&#8230; Let&#8217;s think about this.</p>
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		<title>By: June</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2007/03/still-and-falling-water.html#comment-10035</link>
		<dc:creator>June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

I both paint on photographs and then stitch them -- but of course, they are printed on textiles rather than on the highly processed photographic paper.

If you like, I would print one of yours on some silk and we could compare the different effect. As I said before, even the smoothest silk (silk charmeuse) can't give the crisp effect that photographs have on paper, which is why I often paint after printing -- both to achieve a better resolution and to get a photograph to come closer to what I want it to be rather than what it is in itself.

But if you want to play with some different effects, let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>I both paint on photographs and then stitch them &#8212; but of course, they are printed on textiles rather than on the highly processed photographic paper.</p>
<p>If you like, I would print one of yours on some silk and we could compare the different effect. As I said before, even the smoothest silk (silk charmeuse) can&#8217;t give the crisp effect that photographs have on paper, which is why I often paint after printing &#8212; both to achieve a better resolution and to get a photograph to come closer to what I want it to be rather than what it is in itself.</p>
<p>But if you want to play with some different effects, let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Durbin</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2007/03/still-and-falling-water.html#comment-10012</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Durbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, here's my other image from Palisade Falls (the last one in my main post). It even has a tiny waterfall for D.

&lt;img src="http://stephendurbin.com/photos/ap/5787.jpg"/&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, here&#8217;s my other image from Palisade Falls (the last one in my main post). It even has a tiny waterfall for D.</p>
<p><img src="http://stephendurbin.com/photos/ap/5787.jpg"/></p>
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