Comments on: Twice-Told Tales http://artandperception.com/2007/03/twice-told-tales.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=twice-told-tales a multi-disciplinary dialog Mon, 07 May 2012 03:49:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Steve Durbin http://artandperception.com/2007/03/twice-told-tales.html/comment-page-1#comment-8658 Steve Durbin Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:27:52 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/03/twice-told-tales.html#comment-8658 Thanks for the comment, Ginger. I suppose the "cozy" feeling you mention, even though I didn't think of it that way, was one of the reasons I selected this image from among others of the same site. Other images, showing the ruin to be in a darker and deeper recess than you might realize from the chosen image, give perhaps a more claustrophobic or isolated impression. All of these are true, though incomplete. Thanks for the comment, Ginger. I suppose the “cozy” feeling you mention, even though I didn’t think of it that way, was one of the reasons I selected this image from among others of the same site. Other images, showing the ruin to be in a darker and deeper recess than you might realize from the chosen image, give perhaps a more claustrophobic or isolated impression. All of these are true, though incomplete.

]]> By: ginger http://artandperception.com/2007/03/twice-told-tales.html/comment-page-1#comment-8612 ginger Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:16:07 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/03/twice-told-tales.html#comment-8612 I agree it is cozy like a nest...and at the same time swirling. I like the photograph and think you can go back because you will be seeing from where you are now...shooting from your heart today...so it will always be different....revealing more secrets each time. Truely a beautiful photograph I envy your trip back. I agree it is cozy like a nest…and at the same time swirling. I like the photograph and think you can go back because you will be seeing from where you are now…shooting from your heart today…so it will always be different….revealing more secrets each time. Truely a beautiful photograph I envy your trip back.

]]> By: Sunil Gangadharan http://artandperception.com/2007/03/twice-told-tales.html/comment-page-1#comment-8590 Sunil Gangadharan Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:50:57 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/03/twice-told-tales.html#comment-8590 Steve, Your website was very useful in reminding me of our 'earth based instincts' at the end of the day. When you say "Local materials and simple forms allowed fluid integration with adjacent structures and the surrounding cave or cliff, I am particularly interested in the way that the native rock supports, confines, and completes the human constructions", and supplement it with pictures such as this, it just shows very nicely how the Anasazi people were completely integrated into the local stone and how they could literally fashion their lives around the earthly environment that nurtured them. I am also reminded at this time of people in Saharan Africa who used to live (and I think they still do) into grotto like holes in the cliffs that were fashioned into living quarters. I can’t seem to dig up the reference, but I am reminded of dusty settlements hewn into the rock face by our forefathers thousands of years back when we seemed a more natural extension of the earth. Beautiful pictures and I am glad I learnt something from visiting your website. Steve,
Your website was very useful in reminding me of our ‘earth based instincts’ at the end of the day. When you say “Local materials and simple forms allowed fluid integration with adjacent structures and the surrounding cave or cliff, I am particularly interested in the way that the native rock supports, confines, and completes the human constructions”, and supplement it with pictures such as this, it just shows very nicely how the Anasazi people were completely integrated into the local stone and how they could literally fashion their lives around the earthly environment that nurtured them. I am also reminded at this time of people in Saharan Africa who used to live (and I think they still do) into grotto like holes in the cliffs that were fashioned into living quarters. I can’t seem to dig up the reference, but I am reminded of dusty settlements hewn into the rock face by our forefathers thousands of years back when we seemed a more natural extension of the earth.
Beautiful pictures and I am glad I learnt something from visiting your website.

]]> By: David http://artandperception.com/2007/03/twice-told-tales.html/comment-page-1#comment-8582 David Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:31:12 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/03/twice-told-tales.html#comment-8582 <i>It’s more a matter of understanding what’s in the material than imposing on it. I don’t want to just say: Here are some places I’ve seen on my vacation.</i> I agree. I look forward to seeing what emerges from your renewed visit to the site. My guess is that you'll discover things (and a viewpoint) that weren't apparent on the first trip. It’s more a matter of understanding what’s in the material than imposing on it. I don’t want to just say: Here are some places I’ve seen on my vacation.

I agree. I look forward to seeing what emerges from your renewed visit to the site. My guess is that you’ll discover things (and a viewpoint) that weren’t apparent on the first trip.

]]> By: Steve Durbin http://artandperception.com/2007/03/twice-told-tales.html/comment-page-1#comment-8581 Steve Durbin Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:24:02 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/03/twice-told-tales.html#comment-8581 Birgit, Interesting word choice with "cozy," I like it. This ruin is somewhat unusual in that feeling, and also in having the reddish color different from the nearby rock. For that reason, I show it in color on my website, though for most of the ruins I use monochrome as in the second version. I'm not totally happy with the horizontal branch, but I think I like it better since your comments, it seems to support the ruin like a cupped hand, contributing to that cozy sense. Quite different from the more common bleak and abandoned impression Mark, I love your comments about time passing. That was one of the questions I was thinking of asking: how to convey a sense of time in a still image. In this case, the idea that a long time has passed since the ruin was inhabited. Thinking about that, I experimented with the blurred and the vignetted versions just for this post, having never tried those before. D., I'm glad a sense of respect comes through, that's very important for the physical preservation of these places, as well as for how I think they should be viewed. There are issues with even showing photographs, and I never give specific names or locations, though some are recognizable to people who know them. David, That's an excellent point, and in fact I haven't pushed for overall conformity to a particular vision or viewpoint. But I also think that it's useful to see whether some groupings -- not necessarily the full portfolio -- support a more focused message. It's more a matter of understanding what's in the material than imposing on it. I don't want to just say: Here are some places I've seen on my vacation. Birgit,
Interesting word choice with “cozy,” I like it. This ruin is somewhat unusual in that feeling, and also in having the reddish color different from the nearby rock. For that reason, I show it in color on my website, though for most of the ruins I use monochrome as in the second version. I’m not totally happy with the horizontal branch, but I think I like it better since your comments, it seems to support the ruin like a cupped hand, contributing to that cozy sense. Quite different from the more common bleak and abandoned impression

Mark,
I love your comments about time passing. That was one of the questions I was thinking of asking: how to convey a sense of time in a still image. In this case, the idea that a long time has passed since the ruin was inhabited. Thinking about that, I experimented with the blurred and the vignetted versions just for this post, having never tried those before.

D.,
I’m glad a sense of respect comes through, that’s very important for the physical preservation of these places, as well as for how I think they should be viewed. There are issues with even showing photographs, and I never give specific names or locations, though some are recognizable to people who know them.

David,
That’s an excellent point, and in fact I haven’t pushed for overall conformity to a particular vision or viewpoint. But I also think that it’s useful to see whether some groupings — not necessarily the full portfolio — support a more focused message. It’s more a matter of understanding what’s in the material than imposing on it. I don’t want to just say: Here are some places I’ve seen on my vacation.

]]> By: David http://artandperception.com/2007/03/twice-told-tales.html/comment-page-1#comment-8579 David Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:37:23 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/03/twice-told-tales.html#comment-8579 <i>The fairly eclectic images on my web site reveal that I have not settled on a consistent story to tell about these places.</i> I think that's a good thing. Better to respond to what you discover in each place than to try to impose a preconceived story on them. Enjoy your return trip. I look forward to seeing the new photos. The fairly eclectic images on my web site reveal that I have not settled on a consistent story to tell about these places.

I think that’s a good thing. Better to respond to what you discover in each place than to try to impose a preconceived story on them. Enjoy your return trip. I look forward to seeing the new photos.

]]> By: D. http://artandperception.com/2007/03/twice-told-tales.html/comment-page-1#comment-8560 D. Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:24:21 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/03/twice-told-tales.html#comment-8560 Steve, An aspect that I appreciate in your work is a general sense of Respect for your site. Here, in this photo, you seem to have emerged (off-trail) to this Discovery. Your photograph a question: now that we are here, do we retreat or move forward and risk disturbance? I've been to Anasazi and many other places similar, and though I know Tourism makes me a bit self-indulgent, it is nice to be reminded that such sites deserve more than our tour for viewing pleasure. (It is why I like going with my kids, they would ask: Does someone live there?) Steve,

An aspect that I appreciate in your work is a general sense of Respect for your site.

Here, in this photo, you seem to have emerged (off-trail) to this Discovery. Your photograph a question: now that we are here, do we retreat or move forward and risk disturbance?

I’ve been to Anasazi and many other places similar, and though I know Tourism makes me a bit self-indulgent, it is nice to be reminded that such sites deserve more than our tour for viewing pleasure. (It is why I like going with my kids, they would ask: Does someone live there?)

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