Comments on: The Empire State Building: Breaking The Second Commandment http://artandperception.com/2007/04/the-empire-state-building-breaking-the-second-commandment.html a multi-disciplinary dialog Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:12:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Steve Durbin http://artandperception.com/2007/04/the-empire-state-building-breaking-the-second-commandment.html#comment-193762 Steve Durbin Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:57:12 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/04/the-empire-state-building-breaking-the-second-commandment.html#comment-193762 Laurah, As far as I'm concerned, we at Art & Perception are delighted to share in the way you've illustrated. Naturally, authors automatically have copyright on their own writing, but I doubt any would object to attributed use by others--rather the opposite. Thanks for reading and commenting. Laurah,

As far as I’m concerned, we at Art & Perception are delighted to share in the way you’ve illustrated. Naturally, authors automatically have copyright on their own writing, but I doubt any would object to attributed use by others–rather the opposite. Thanks for reading and commenting.

]]> By: Laurah http://artandperception.com/2007/04/the-empire-state-building-breaking-the-second-commandment.html#comment-193738 Laurah Fri, 28 Nov 2008 04:54:49 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/04/the-empire-state-building-breaking-the-second-commandment.html#comment-193738 Hey all, I reprinted a portion of this post on my own thread in the young widows bulletin board. Well, we were having a discussion on phallic symbols and besides my own opinions, you had some good material. Please, I hope that no one here is disturbed by my borrowing of intellectual thought (I did give you credit). LOL Many blessings for a thankful and giving thanksgiving 08 and my thoughts will remain with you because of your lovely and thought provoking messages here, xoxo L. Hey all, I reprinted a portion of this post on my own thread in the young widows bulletin board. Well, we were having a discussion on phallic symbols and besides my own opinions, you had some good material. Please, I hope that no one here is disturbed by my borrowing of intellectual thought (I did give you credit). LOL

Many blessings for a thankful and giving thanksgiving 08 and my thoughts will remain with you because of your lovely and thought provoking messages here,
xoxo L.

]]> By: Sunil Gangadharan http://artandperception.com/2007/04/the-empire-state-building-breaking-the-second-commandment.html#comment-13950 Sunil Gangadharan Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:42:40 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/04/the-empire-state-building-breaking-the-second-commandment.html#comment-13950 Richard, I live in New Jersey, but for the last 8 years I have been working full time in downtown Manhattan (I used to work in an investment bank for a long time, but now I have moved to a public agency). I sometimes spend more time in the city than at home - yes, in that sense I live in the city... Richard,
I live in New Jersey, but for the last 8 years I have been working full time in downtown Manhattan (I used to work in an investment bank for a long time, but now I have moved to a public agency). I sometimes spend more time in the city than at home - yes, in that sense I live in the city…

]]> By: Richard Rothstein http://artandperception.com/2007/04/the-empire-state-building-breaking-the-second-commandment.html#comment-13825 Richard Rothstein Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:29:12 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/04/the-empire-state-building-breaking-the-second-commandment.html#comment-13825 Sunil: Thanks! I didn't realize that you live in New York city? Sunil: Thanks! I didn’t realize that you live in New York city?

]]> By: Sunil Gangadharan http://artandperception.com/2007/04/the-empire-state-building-breaking-the-second-commandment.html#comment-13778 Sunil Gangadharan Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:27:01 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/04/the-empire-state-building-breaking-the-second-commandment.html#comment-13778 Richard, Great writing and some good pictures - as is always your style. For me, the Empire State building offers something at the emotional and architectural levels. When the lights go up on the Indian Independence day, I feel that someone in NY cares a bit for a country of 1.1. billion people that rarely gets a mention in mainstream media. Architecturally - it is breathtaking - just climb up the steps to the observation deck and the intricate design is a sign to behold - look at it rising over the silhouettes from Hoboken and the spire only thrills. Great post and enjoyed reading it... Richard,
Great writing and some good pictures - as is always your style.
For me, the Empire State building offers something at the emotional and architectural levels.
When the lights go up on the Indian Independence day, I feel that someone in NY cares a bit for a country of 1.1. billion people that rarely gets a mention in mainstream media.

Architecturally - it is breathtaking - just climb up the steps to the observation deck and the intricate design is a sign to behold - look at it rising over the silhouettes from Hoboken and the spire only thrills. Great post and enjoyed reading it…

]]> By: June http://artandperception.com/2007/04/the-empire-state-building-breaking-the-second-commandment.html#comment-13597 June Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:05:18 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/04/the-empire-state-building-breaking-the-second-commandment.html#comment-13597 Richard, Your question: "How does one create a work of art that includes an icon and that is not overwhelmed by the icon?" is one that I think resonates most with me. And you've answered your own question, it seems to me, by showing that the "icon" changes. We needed to see the five images and even, perhaps, to read the text to understand the resonance of the building, not just for you but for us all. The imagery and text allow the Empire State Building to remain an "icon" but to also come to be imbued with your sensibility, to be connected to time and space and position of the viewer (or viewfinder, if you will). Icons are generally stopped in time, fixed in space, complete in themselves. But as humans and not-god, we can't stop time, fix ourselves in space, and so forth. So in one way, you are simply yielding to your humanity, acknowledging that you can never quite capture, once and for all, stopped and complete, this image and meaning. You have to write about it linearly, you have to photograph it time and time again. I think that even the Jewish god might acknowledge that this is not another god, nor even an attempted image of a god, but rather a humble human activity attempting to expand one's minute knowledge of the universe. Richard,

Your question: “How does one create a work of art that includes an icon and that is not overwhelmed by the icon?” is one that I think resonates most with me. And you’ve answered your own question, it seems to me, by showing that the “icon” changes.

We needed to see the five images and even, perhaps, to read the text to understand the resonance of the building, not just for you but for us all. The imagery and text allow the Empire State Building to remain an “icon” but to also come to be imbued with your sensibility, to be connected to time and space and position of the viewer (or viewfinder, if you will).

Icons are generally stopped in time, fixed in space, complete in themselves. But as humans and not-god, we can’t stop time, fix ourselves in space, and so forth. So in one way, you are simply yielding to your humanity, acknowledging that you can never quite capture, once and for all, stopped and complete, this image and meaning. You have to write about it linearly, you have to photograph it time and time again. I think that even the Jewish god might acknowledge that this is not another god, nor even an attempted image of a god, but rather a humble human activity attempting to expand one’s minute knowledge of the universe.

]]> By: Birgit Zipser http://artandperception.com/2007/04/the-empire-state-building-breaking-the-second-commandment.html#comment-13503 Birgit Zipser Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:48:49 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/04/the-empire-state-building-breaking-the-second-commandment.html#comment-13503 Richard, We spent the last three days roaming the streets of Manhattan. I am looking forward to your pictures next week to see your view of Art Deco NYC. I see EBS as an extended nipple. Richard,

We spent the last three days roaming the streets of Manhattan. I am looking forward to your pictures next week to see your view of Art Deco NYC.

I see EBS as an extended nipple.

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