Comments on: Transparency in perception and art http://artandperception.com/2007/06/transparency-in-art-and-perception.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=transparency-in-art-and-perception a multi-disciplinary dialog Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:08:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: David http://artandperception.com/2007/06/transparency-in-art-and-perception.html/comment-page-1#comment-19738 David Fri, 08 Jun 2007 18:11:44 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/06/transparency-in-art-and-perception.html#comment-19738 Like when you have drastic color/lighting changes from one shot in a movie to the next? Like when you have drastic color/lighting changes from one shot in a movie to the next?

]]> By: Karl Ziper http://artandperception.com/2007/06/transparency-in-art-and-perception.html/comment-page-1#comment-19721 Karl Ziper Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:58:50 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/06/transparency-in-art-and-perception.html#comment-19721 David, Sequential masking is when you show one image and then another in rapid succession. The closer the images are in structure, the more the second one will "mask" or destroy perception of the first one. David,

Sequential masking is when you show one image and then another in rapid succession. The closer the images are in structure, the more the second one will “mask” or destroy perception of the first one.

]]> By: birgit http://artandperception.com/2007/06/transparency-in-art-and-perception.html/comment-page-1#comment-19686 birgit Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:22:54 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/06/transparency-in-art-and-perception.html#comment-19686 Martha, Thank you for telling us about Frits Thaulow. His water scenes are amazing. Can you give us a link to your own paintings? Martha,

Thank you for telling us about Frits Thaulow. His water scenes are amazing.

Can you give us a link to your own paintings?

]]> By: Martha http://artandperception.com/2007/06/transparency-in-art-and-perception.html/comment-page-1#comment-19644 Martha Fri, 08 Jun 2007 02:24:02 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/06/transparency-in-art-and-perception.html#comment-19644 I have been painting alot of water in the last ten years and one thing that always strikes me is that when you look at a transparent scene in real life it is impossible to have your eyes focus on both the surface and the underlying objects at the same time. Yet if you take a photo of that scene (such as the boat/dock photo posted here) the two realms marry pretty well. In terms of painting, the absolute best work I have seen that captures the illusion of transparency using oil paints is by the Norwegian artist Frits Thaulow at the Philadelphia M of A. this is that site: http://www.philamuseum.org/collections/permanent/101776.html More recent artists have gone for it using transparent media (Welliver's watercolor fish under water) but even that uses the schematic patterning as well. I have been painting alot of water in the last ten years and one thing that always strikes me is that when you look at a transparent scene in real life it is impossible to have your eyes focus on both the surface and the underlying objects at the same time. Yet if you take a photo of that scene (such as the boat/dock photo posted here) the two realms marry pretty well.
In terms of painting, the absolute best work I have seen that captures the illusion of transparency using oil paints is by the Norwegian artist Frits Thaulow at the Philadelphia M of A. this is that site:
http://www.philamuseum.org/collections/permanent/101776.html
More recent artists have gone for it using transparent media (Welliver’s watercolor fish under water) but even that uses the schematic patterning as well.

]]> By: David http://artandperception.com/2007/06/transparency-in-art-and-perception.html/comment-page-1#comment-19324 David Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:20:42 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/06/transparency-in-art-and-perception.html#comment-19324 Karl, I'm aware of "contrast masking" in simultaneous color relationships, where high-contrast aspects of an image mask the lower-contrast relationships (the lights within the lights, the darks within the darks). What's an example of the sequential masking (before, after) that you mention? Karl, I’m aware of “contrast masking” in simultaneous color relationships, where high-contrast aspects of an image mask the lower-contrast relationships (the lights within the lights, the darks within the darks). What’s an example of the sequential masking (before, after) that you mention?

]]> By: Karl Zipser http://artandperception.com/2007/06/transparency-in-art-and-perception.html/comment-page-1#comment-19312 Karl Zipser Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:42:32 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/06/transparency-in-art-and-perception.html#comment-19312 Steve, This image is interesting to me because I can't parse it. David, In visual perception there is an important concept of "masking" in which certain aspects of an image (or an image previously shown, or shown immediately after) hide or "mask" aspects of the first image that are otherwise perfectly evident. I'm wondering if high levels of detail in realistic images act as a sort of mask as well, preventing the mind from taking certain "leaps" that it can with more schematic images. Steve,

This image is interesting to me because I can’t parse it.

David,

In visual perception there is an important concept of “masking” in which certain aspects of an image (or an image previously shown, or shown immediately after) hide or “mask” aspects of the first image that are otherwise perfectly evident. I’m wondering if high levels of detail in realistic images act as a sort of mask as well, preventing the mind from taking certain “leaps” that it can with more schematic images.

]]> By: Steve Durbin http://artandperception.com/2007/06/transparency-in-art-and-perception.html/comment-page-1#comment-19246 Steve Durbin Tue, 05 Jun 2007 05:17:58 +0000 http://www.artandperception.com/2007/06/transparency-in-art-and-perception.html#comment-19246 Here's the image I mentioned (comment 3) with a grating in the background, which is the made up the the laths for plaster on an interior wall of a ghost town hotel. <img src="http://stephendurbin.com/photos/ap/8028-300.jpg" /> The reflection is of other buildings and some dark bushes at the bottom, which provide the best area for the interior to show through. Nothing impressive, but for what it's worth...may not show as well on your monitor. I do like the possibilities with reflections of showing two worlds in one. Here’s the image I mentioned (comment 3) with a grating in the background, which is the made up the the laths for plaster on an interior wall of a ghost town hotel.

The reflection is of other buildings and some dark bushes at the bottom, which provide the best area for the interior to show through. Nothing impressive, but for what it’s worth…may not show as well on your monitor. I do like the possibilities with reflections of showing two worlds in one.

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