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		<title>By: Steve Durbin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Durbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out this &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/24/the-blue-and-the-green/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;amazing illusion&lt;/a&gt; based on Albers-style color influences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out this <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/24/the-blue-and-the-green/" rel="nofollow">amazing illusion</a> based on Albers-style color influences.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Marsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His use of only unmixed tube colors.....why? Certainly related to his asking his students to work with found color paper samples...never having them mix colors. BUT...why? Go figure.....I don&#039;t have an easy answer. 

Equally intriguing is that he applied the color with a palette knife. With scrupulous care. I think one must see the paintings to begin to understand this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His use of only unmixed tube colors&#8230;..why? Certainly related to his asking his students to work with found color paper samples&#8230;never having them mix colors. BUT&#8230;why? Go figure&#8230;..I don&#8217;t have an easy answer. </p>
<p>Equally intriguing is that he applied the color with a palette knife. With scrupulous care. I think one must see the paintings to begin to understand this.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 03:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce:

O.K. I went back to Albers images with the in-the-tube in mind and can see where he may have done just that. But what was his point? To collect tubes of paint? Did it have a didactic function?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce:</p>
<p>O.K. I went back to Albers images with the in-the-tube in mind and can see where he may have done just that. But what was his point? To collect tubes of paint? Did it have a didactic function?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Marsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of notes: Josef Albers, in his Homage to the Square paintings, did not mix color. He made the compositions using unmixed colors available in tubes, from various manufacturors. He applied the colors with a palette knife. The colors he used are usually listed on the back of the painting.

See http://www.minusspace.com/tag/josef-albers/

Here&#039;s a quote from that link:
&quot;Throughout the series, also known as the Adobe paintings, Albers used a similar composition with varying colour combinations, applying paint unmixed, directly from the tube onto white primed hardboard.&quot;

I don&#039;t know if the screen prints he made were based on the paintings, or developed as separate images.

In all these images a central issue is the spatial reading...does the red advance or recede? Which depends on whether you read the red as a transparent plane over the orange, or the orange as a &#039;translucent&#039; sheet over the red. There is not a &#039;correct&#039; reading.

Also, the term hue refers to thew redness/yellowness/blueness of a color, and is fairly objective. Even in very grayed (low saturated colors) there is general agreement in observers about which appears redder, or greener, or whatever. BUT...only when they are presented on neutral fields for comparison. When surrounded by other colors they are very subject to being changed in appearance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of notes: Josef Albers, in his Homage to the Square paintings, did not mix color. He made the compositions using unmixed colors available in tubes, from various manufacturors. He applied the colors with a palette knife. The colors he used are usually listed on the back of the painting.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://www.minusspace.com/tag/josef-albers/" rel="nofollow">http://www.minusspace.com/tag/josef-albers/</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a quote from that link:<br />
&#8220;Throughout the series, also known as the Adobe paintings, Albers used a similar composition with varying colour combinations, applying paint unmixed, directly from the tube onto white primed hardboard.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if the screen prints he made were based on the paintings, or developed as separate images.</p>
<p>In all these images a central issue is the spatial reading&#8230;does the red advance or recede? Which depends on whether you read the red as a transparent plane over the orange, or the orange as a &#8216;translucent&#8217; sheet over the red. There is not a &#8216;correct&#8217; reading.</p>
<p>Also, the term hue refers to thew redness/yellowness/blueness of a color, and is fairly objective. Even in very grayed (low saturated colors) there is general agreement in observers about which appears redder, or greener, or whatever. BUT&#8230;only when they are presented on neutral fields for comparison. When surrounded by other colors they are very subject to being changed in appearance.</p>
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		<title>By: Birgit Zipser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Birgit Zipser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just obtained my &#039;Interaction of Color&#039; and I look forward to studying it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just obtained my &#8216;Interaction of Color&#8217; and I look forward to studying it.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 04:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are certain geometrical arrangements which are pleasing in their pictorial structure - say their appearance as doorways or hallways. Additionally, these geometrical constructs can be used to produce whole number and golden section ratios between the various color areas - the eye sorts this out for itself as pleasing. I think once Albers made the geometric set ups, he then worked with the color according to his theories,

Today we have Photoshop. What once was quite difficult, or took time consuming trial and error can be accomplished easily using Photoshops simple drawing tools. The paintings by artists like Noland, Albers, Vasarely, Riley and even Al Held were difficult to construct and color more than 20 years ago. Today one can fool around with &quot;stripe paintings&quot; on the computer creating endless variations in an afternoon.

As a tool, drawing programs allow the painter to create simple mockups and quickly test out the visual effects of various color palettes. I doubt that it will make a better painting but sometimes you can solve a painting problem on the computer 

This also touches on Steve&#039;s comments about the difficulty in achieving accurate color output. Anything capable of producing or recording color has what is called a &quot;color gamut&quot; which is by definition the contained range of the producible or reproducible colors. Paint has a color gamut, so do inks and the two are closer to one another than the gamut of film, or digital recording and displaying devices. The cyan blue on a monitor RGB 0,255,255 is not reproducible with most inks, it is lighter and more saturated. By contrast, a pthalo cyan blue is not reproducible on a display device, it is too dark and saturated. In fact RGB 0,255,255 only means something on a particular display or recording device and is not the same on a different device (it&#039;s possible to calibrate printers, scanners and displays to smooth over the rough spots) Because the artist typically is daisy chaining several input and output devices together, this process can get very complicated very fast. 

In the end, what matters is how the final output looks, not how you get there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are certain geometrical arrangements which are pleasing in their pictorial structure &#8211; say their appearance as doorways or hallways. Additionally, these geometrical constructs can be used to produce whole number and golden section ratios between the various color areas &#8211; the eye sorts this out for itself as pleasing. I think once Albers made the geometric set ups, he then worked with the color according to his theories,</p>
<p>Today we have Photoshop. What once was quite difficult, or took time consuming trial and error can be accomplished easily using Photoshops simple drawing tools. The paintings by artists like Noland, Albers, Vasarely, Riley and even Al Held were difficult to construct and color more than 20 years ago. Today one can fool around with &#8220;stripe paintings&#8221; on the computer creating endless variations in an afternoon.</p>
<p>As a tool, drawing programs allow the painter to create simple mockups and quickly test out the visual effects of various color palettes. I doubt that it will make a better painting but sometimes you can solve a painting problem on the computer </p>
<p>This also touches on Steve&#8217;s comments about the difficulty in achieving accurate color output. Anything capable of producing or recording color has what is called a &#8220;color gamut&#8221; which is by definition the contained range of the producible or reproducible colors. Paint has a color gamut, so do inks and the two are closer to one another than the gamut of film, or digital recording and displaying devices. The cyan blue on a monitor RGB 0,255,255 is not reproducible with most inks, it is lighter and more saturated. By contrast, a pthalo cyan blue is not reproducible on a display device, it is too dark and saturated. In fact RGB 0,255,255 only means something on a particular display or recording device and is not the same on a different device (it&#8217;s possible to calibrate printers, scanners and displays to smooth over the rough spots) Because the artist typically is daisy chaining several input and output devices together, this process can get very complicated very fast. </p>
<p>In the end, what matters is how the final output looks, not how you get there.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not knowing if Albers began with a nested construct of rectangles to which he added colors, or chose colors and then pushed them into mutual relationships.
Seems like I would have done a few sketches before proceeding. And, George, I agree with your assessment as I dealt with an &quot;Homage&quot; on a daily basis at the museum, and very few people showed much of an interest in it. Moreover, to paraphrase a quote, it seems to me that color theory is often to an artist as ornithology is to a bird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not knowing if Albers began with a nested construct of rectangles to which he added colors, or chose colors and then pushed them into mutual relationships.<br />
Seems like I would have done a few sketches before proceeding. And, George, I agree with your assessment as I dealt with an &#8220;Homage&#8221; on a daily basis at the museum, and very few people showed much of an interest in it. Moreover, to paraphrase a quote, it seems to me that color theory is often to an artist as ornithology is to a bird.</p>
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